Chargers receiving "Unsolicited Calls" Regarding a Cam Newton Trade

[My Goodness My Guinness]

7 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Tepper and Rhule saying good things about Cam = attempting to keep his market value high for a trade.  Them saying anything to the contrary would drive his value down below what they should be able to get for him  

 

Cam saying great things about the panthers and his excitement = keeping his image in Charlotte in good standing when the news inevitably breaks that he’s been traded.  Honestly, Cam would be insane to play our the last year of his contract due to what he’s done for this team without any commitment to his future. He knows this but isn’t going to show his cards in public. 
 

Fact of the matter is he’s as good as gone but neither he nor the team wants to come off with an image issue after this plays out. It’s smart on both sides and why publicly everything looks on the up and up. 
 

with all this said, this is just one panther fans opinion. I hope I’m wrong and he’s a panther next year, but I’d be stunned. 

Wow, somebody actually has a brain on this forum

[Cpt slay a ho]

I’m trusting what has been stated by everyone involved.

we are not trading him unless a “significant” return is in the works, the only thing I don’t know is what do they consider a significant return I’d assume a combination of picks in the first 3 rds

[Moo Daeng]

Super vague wording to assume it means the Chargers are receiving the calls and texts. Chargers fans are interpreting it to mean the Chargers are making these calls and texts and its evidence against the popular belief they will draft a QB early.

 

[stirs]

7 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Tepper and Rhule saying good things about Cam = attempting to keep his market value high for a trade.  Them saying anything to the contrary would drive his value down below what they should be able to get for him  

 

Cam saying great things about the panthers and his excitement = keeping his image in Charlotte in good standing when the news inevitably breaks that he’s been traded.  Honestly, Cam would be insane to play our the last year of his contract due to what he’s done for this team without any commitment to his future. He knows this but isn’t going to show his cards in public. 
 

Fact of the matter is he’s as good as gone but neither he nor the team wants to come off with an image issue after this plays out. It’s smart on both sides and why publicly everything looks on the up and up. 
 

with all this said, this is just one panther fans opinion. I hope I’m wrong and he’s a panther next year, but I’d be stunned. 

I normally get a sack full of poop emojis for statements like this.  Bravo

[stbugs]

4 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Rebuild around Cam Newton that's what. You think a 3rd round draft pick is going to be better for this team's future than a healthy Cam Newton? That's a pretty funny joke go ahead and take a look at Marty Hurney's 3rd round picks the last several years because that's the type of player you'd be getting rid of Cam Newton for.

If 2-3 pieces of the Oline were replaced by next season it will be VASTLY improved over a season ago. CMC improved to an all-pro player and quite possibly the most dynamic non QB offensive player in the NFL. DJ Moore developed into a 1k receiver with very little help at Qb. Curtis Samuel will also have another offseason to improve on top of anyone else the staff will bring in to compete. this offense can most DEFINITELY be dangerous with a healthy Cam at Qb. Yes, the defense will need to be rebuilt and barring a drastic turn around will be the main reason why this team won't win many games next season no matter who is at quarterback. Cam keeps us competitive. Without him we could very easily become the worst team in the NFL for the next decade.

Lol, starting Grier = tanking for Lawrence. Grier looked like garbage compared to Allen.

Also, good luck with healthy Cam. It’s be nice, but we haven’t seem fully healthy Cam in 5 years. Even 2017 was post first shoulder surgery and he looked rough early in the season. His MVP year was the last time we had a healthy Cam. The last thing I’d want to see is us signing him to a long expensive deal. It’s so risky even if he looks healthy in 2020. Maybe it could work out great. That said, getting 6-8 wins a year paying Cam $35-40M a year gets us nowhere.

That said you are super hopeful that everything comes together great. The DL and OL combo was literally the worst in the NFL. We couldn’t stop the run at all. We couldn’t run for short yardage TDs. We gave up the second most sacks. We lost Luke. We lost Olsen even though he wasn’t stud Greg, he was still a good TE. We have a ton of FAs. We have a GM who has drafted 2 starters in two years and we’ve got holes and holes. If we lose Bradberry, Boston, McCoy and Irvin off of the #31 scoring D then how good will the D be next year if we focus on drafting OL? I get doing that but this team’s a mess outside of CMC and Moore.

We won’t tank in the literal sense. That’s not what the players will do. We want to see the young guys get better, but if Cam’s traded, this team is drafting top 3 next year and likely top 10 in 2022. I’m all for sucking for Trevor and getting a ton of compensatory picks and good picks for Cam. I can see a very quick turnaround in that case (if a solid round 2+ drafter shows up) but we will suck badly next year and start to show signs in 2021.

I’ll reiterate in this thread as well that taking a Lawrence or Fields or Newman in 2021 and trading Cam would net the pick(s) and about $140M in cap space for years 1-6 of that rookie QBs career (4 year rookie deal, 5th year and 1 Franchise). So for years 3-6, you could have Lawrence, 1 or 2 other rookies, Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack or you could have Cam. You know which way I’m leaning and I loved having Cam. It’s nothing about Cam, it’s about what else you could have if you postpone your window and give another team and immediate window. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Noted earlier that whichever team had the quarterback with the highest cap hit missed the playoffs eight out of the last ten years, and the two that made it lost their first game. That could be used to say that it's a bad idea to have a highly paid quarterback.

But I think the real truth is that teams who devote an overly large segment of their cap to one player or one position drive down the overall quality of their roster and thus, don't produce good results.

It's not about the position. It's all about how you manage the cap and build a roster.

Yeah, I bet if you change that to top 5 QB that success figure changes drastically.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

44 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol, starting Grier = tanking for Lawrence. Grier looked like garbage compared to Allen.

Also, good luck with healthy Cam. It’s be nice, but we haven’t seem fully healthy Cam in 5 years. Even 2017 was post first shoulder surgery and he looked rough early in the season. His MVP year was the last time we had a healthy Cam. The last thing I’d want to see is us signing him to a long expensive deal. It’s so risky even if he looks healthy in 2020. Maybe it could work out great. That said, getting 6-8 wins a year paying Cam $35-40M a year gets us nowhere.

That said you are super hopeful that everything comes together great. The DL and OL combo was literally the worst in the NFL. We couldn’t stop the run at all. We couldn’t run for short yardage TDs. We gave up the second most sacks. We lost Luke. We lost Olsen even though he wasn’t stud Greg, he was still a good TE. We have a ton of FAs. We have a GM who has drafted 2 starters in two years and we’ve got holes and holes. If we lose Bradberry, Boston, McCoy and Irvin off of the #31 scoring D then how good will the D be next year if we focus on drafting OL? I get doing that but this team’s a mess outside of CMC and Moore.

We won’t tank in the literal sense. That’s not what the players will do. We want to see the young guys get better, but if Cam’s traded, this team is drafting top 3 next year and likely top 10 in 2022. I’m all for sucking for Trevor and getting a ton of compensatory picks and good picks for Cam. I can see a very quick turnaround in that case (if a solid round 2+ drafter shows up) but we will suck badly next year and start to show signs in 2021.

I’ll reiterate in this thread as well that taking a Lawrence or Fields or Newman in 2021 and trading Cam would net the pick(s) and about $140M in cap space for years 1-6 of that rookie QBs career (4 year rookie deal, 5th year and 1 Franchise). So for years 3-6, you could have Lawrence, 1 or 2 other rookies, Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack or you could have Cam. You know which way I’m leaning and I loved having Cam. It’s nothing about Cam, it’s about what else you could have if you postpone your window and give another team and immediate window. 

Your theory on the direction of the team has WAY more moving parts and gambles to it than mine does. Teams with great offenses have been winning with average to below average defenses. As long as your defense can generate turnovers and give your high powered offense a chance at success that's all you really need in today's game. Rarely do teams finish top 5 or even top 10 rather in offense AND defense. We are now an offensive team. Keep Cam rebuild the oline patch together a defense and bring in some young athletic playmakers/FA's over the next 2 years and we are ready to compete. You are talking about possibly sacrificing the entirety of Matt Rhule's existence off of 1 single move, and that move is moving on from Cam before we can see if this arrangement can work.

We can either trade Cam or release him. If we trade him we will likely only get a 3rd round pick, that being generous for an oft injured running Qb as you've stated. If we release him the highest "comp" pick we can get is also a 3rd rounder. A 3rd round pick(A Marty Hurney 3rd round pick BTW) for Cam Newton before seeing what he can do in Joe Brady's offense is NOT WORTH it, it just isn't. So with that being said we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Tbe]

11 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

We can either trade Cam or release him. If we trade him we will likely only get a 3rd round pick, that being generous for an oft injured running Qb as you've stated.

It’s interesting to me that people want to keep Cam but admit he’s only worth a 3rd. If that’s his worth, why do we want to keep him so bad?

 

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It’s interesting to me that people want to keep Cam but admit he’s only worth a 3rd. If that’s his worth, why do we want to keep him so bad?

 

Great point----a third rounder for $21m--and they call him a bargain.  Look at Cam's salary this way---if he was paid $20m over the last 2 seasons, that bargain was $40m for 6 wins---17 starts,

[Moo Daeng]

9 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It’s interesting to me that people want to keep Cam but admit he’s only worth a 3rd. If that’s his worth, why do we want to keep him so bad?

 

Because that has nothing to do with why you would want to keep him or not.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Just now, Tbe said:

It’s interesting to me that people want to keep Cam but admit he’s only worth a 3rd. If that’s his worth, why do we want to keep him so bad?

 

Cam is worth way more to this organization than a fuging 3rd round pick. ESPECIALLY a Marty Hurney drafted 3rd round pick. But it's not about his value to this organization at which he is still under contract for $21 million, a bargain price for Qbs these days, it's about what he'd be worth to a DIFFERENT organization which would probably have to also agree to an extension with Cam before even getting to see him play. Just doesn't make sense for an organization to give us a 3rd round pick or higher for essentially a one year deal with Cam. It makes more sense for us to keep him and see if he can work out in this offense because if it doesn't work out, we are VERY likely to be picking top 5 in the 2021 draft anyways. I don't think we'll even find a trade partner I think if we get rid of Cam we will have to release him or trade him for a VERY low round draft pick. And if we let him walk in FA next year and he signs with another team we will then get a comp. pick for him departing in FA.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Great point----a third rounder for $21m--and they call him a bargain.  Look at Cam's salary this way---if he was paid $20m over the last 2 seasons, that bargain was $40m for 6 wins---17 starts,

Do we really want to compile a list of Marty Hurney's 3rd round draft selections over the years? You are acting like we'd be picking up a starter let a lone a guy that will make the final 53.

[Snake]

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

You not gonna get 2 first round picks not even 1. He has been hurt the last 2 years... who's gonna give up a 1 for a banged up former mvp who may have to much milage. Your more likely to get more bang for your buck just driving the car yourself.

This whole thread is about trading Cam to LA. Why would we trade him for anything less than a first? Like I said if they give us a first then take it. Otherwise Cam's not getting traded. We have zero to lose if he plays for us in 2020. Also there are plenty of teams that would give up a first for Cam. A questionable Newton on a cheap deal is way better than a questionable Rookie for 5 years for a team looking for a icon and star power. 

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11 hours ago, Tbe said:

Winning 2-3 games might be what Tepper wants.

Until that turns into missing out on the best qb to a 1-15 team, taking the next best, having him bust, but not giving up on him ie bears and Mitch. And, finally, 4 years after trading cam, the panthers still haven’t found a franchise qb and rhule gets fired.

 

people need to stop thinking finding a good qb is so easy. It’s not. We have one in cam. Rivera and his dumbass med staff aren’t there to rush cam back from injures  anymore. He’s gonna be fine