(NFL News) Dak Prescott Turns Down $33 Million Annually

[Navy_football]

18 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Imagine if the Panthers did everything in their power to help Cam like Dallas did for Dak. Has Cam ever at any point had a top 10 Oline to play behind? How about a top 5 Rb for every year of his career like Dak has had AND HE STILL CANT WIN.

You put any other Qb in the positions we've asked Cam to produce in and i bet they dont last 2 seasons. The argument is not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be

You on fire today bro!

[Navy_football]

4 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Oh no? You dont think so? Well I'll tell you this. If Ted Ginn Jr. Is the best perimeter target that an organization can surround their Franchise Quarterback with then obviously something is S.E.R.I.O.U.S.L.Y WRONG. Name me a single franchise qb that's been ranked in the top 10 for a single season that has done more with less. Go ahead I'll wait, because there isnt one. This team has failed to ever put Cam in a position to succeed from an offensive stand point. Look at all the trash Cam was forced to play with during his 9 seasons. Go ahead look it up because clearly you either werent around or you dont remember. From the Oline, to the WRs, to the fuging RBs. This team never, not once put Cam in a position to succeed he relied on his own playstyle/play making ability to carry this team for the last 8 years

Folk don't want to admit the best recieving target this team has had for most of Cam's tenure was a slow possession TE - that couldn't block. Love Greg, but let's call it what it was. Great hands, super intelligent and reliable, but should never have been anyone's #1 receiving option.

And we don't even want to get started on the oline. Amini, Nate, and Bell all starting at the same time. That ish was criminal. NE would have never allowed that to happen to Tom Brady. You really trying to get someone killed!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

52 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Calm yourself Chicken little. 

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, because you are ignoring so much just to prop up your opinion. You'd never accept the facts, as you already don't. 

Keep living with the blinders on. 

I wouldn't want you to become capable of unbiased thinking. 

I have no interest in making you see what is available for everyone to see. Nothing will change your perspective.  

I will agree, to disagree, based on unbiased facts and free thinking. 

Best decision you've made, bravo.

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Oh no? You dont think so? Well I'll tell you this. If Ted Ginn Jr. Is the best perimeter target that an organization can surround their Franchise Quarterback with then obviously something is S.E.R.I.O.U.S.L.Y WRONG. Name me a single franchise qb that's been ranked in the top 10 for a single season that has done more with less. Go ahead I'll wait, because there isnt one. This team has failed to ever put Cam in a position to succeed from an offensive stand point. Look at all the trash Cam was forced to play with during his 9 seasons. Go ahead look it up because clearly you either werent around or you dont remember. From the Oline, to the WRs, to the fuging RBs. This team never, not once put Cam in a position to succeed he relied on his own playstyle/play making ability to carry this team for the last 8 years

The Panthers never brought in Ginn Jr to be a perimeter receiver. 

There, I blew up your entire arguement with once true statement. 

Go away. 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Folk don't want to admit the best recieving target this team has had for most of Cam's tenure was a slow possession TE - that couldn't block. Love Greg, but let's call it what it was. Great hands, super intelligent and reliable, but should never have been anyone's #1 receiving option.

And we don't even want to get started on the oline. Amini, Nate, and Bell all starting at the same time. That ish was criminal. NE would have never allowed that to happen to Tom Brady. You really trying to get someone killed!

Brady’s number 1 target for years was Gronkowski. Brees with Graham for a few years. Kelce is the number 1 target for Mahomes (more targets every year than Hill).

Also, go look up Olsen’s combine numbers. He can’t block, but he runs great for a TE. He wouldn’t have had 3 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was slow.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

44 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

The Panthers never brought in Ginn Jr to be a perimeter receiver. 

There, I blew up your entire arguement with once true statement. 

Go away. 

That is completely and totally 100% false. You have failed yet again. Keep trying though I'll be around all day

[Mr Mojo Risin]

42 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Brady’s number 1 target for years was Gronkowski. Brees with Graham for a few years. Kelce is the number 1 target for Mahomes (more targets every year than Hill).

Also, go look up Olsen’s combine numbers. He can’t block, but he runs great for a TE. He wouldn’t have had 3 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was slow.

Those teams also have had

1. Deep threats to open the field for the TEs

2. Prolific Rbs like Kareem Hunt 

3. Top 10 offensive line units

4. Some of the best offensive minded coaches designing their offenses and calling plays. Cam had Mike fuging Shula.

Those are things the Panthers failed to surround Cam with while Olsen was putting up those numbers

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

That is completely and totally 100% false. You have failed yet again. Keep trying though I'll be around all day

The statement I made is completely true. Nothing you can say can change that fact. Take eternity,  I don't care. 

[Navy_football]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Brady’s number 1 target for years was Gronkowski. Brees with Graham for a few years. Kelce is the number 1 target for Mahomes (more targets every year than Hill).

Also, go look up Olsen’s combine numbers. He can’t block, but he runs great for a TE. He wouldn’t have had 3 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was slow.

Ok sir. Which game do you remember Olsen running by or away from anyone? He looks uncomfortable running with the ball after the catch. That is not his forte. Like I said, he's smart, has GREAT hands, tracks the ball well and is super reliable (which is by far more than any other receiver we've had in the past). But let's not compare Greg's athleticism to Gronk, Graham or Kelce. It's not even close. He's a possession receiver. Not a #1 receiving threat. 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Ok sir. Which game do you remember Olsen running by or away from anyone? He looks uncomfortable running with the ball after the catch. That is not his forte. Like I said, he's smart, has GREAT hands, tracks the ball well and is super reliable (which is by far more than any other receiver we've had in the past). But let's not compare Greg's athleticism to Gronk, Graham or Kelce. It's not even close. He's a possession receiver. Not a #1 receiving threat. 

Go look at combine numbers. I’ll bet that Olsen was better than all of them. He was a 1st round pick. That doesn’t happen unless you’re considered an exceptional TE prospect.

Kelce is in his prime now. He’s averaged 12.2 to 13.2 ypr in his last 6 years and has a long of 80, but most years his long is in the 40s.

Graham had 5 top seasons and averaged 10.5 to 14.2 ypr. He had a long of 74 and was usually in the 50s.

Gronkowski had 5 big years and averaged 13.7 to 16.3 ypr. Way more than I thought but he did tend to bowl over/carry people to get yac. He had a long of 76 and was in the 40s and low 50s the other years.

Olsen had 6 healthy years with Cam. He averaged 11.2 to 14.3 ypr and had a long of 78 and averaged a long in the 40s the other 5 years.

In the 40 times I found, Olsen ran 4.51, Graham 4.56, Kelce 4.63 (pro day, usually faster than combine), Gronkowski 4.68 (pro day).

There’s no need to down play Olsen. He was a top athlete at the TE position. He didn’t have Gronk’s power running style but he wasn’t a slow possession TE. Being the top 3rd down target doesn’t mean you’re slow.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

4 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

The statement I made is completely true. Nothing you can say can change that fact. Take eternity,  I don't care. 

Uh what? They even let him walk in FA after his first year here and brought him BACK again to play WR AND return kicks. He was even our best WR during 2015 and posted back to back 700+ yard receiving campaigns. You literally dont know what you're talking about lol

[pantherclaw]

19 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Uh what? They even let him walk in FA after his first year here and brought him BACK again to play WR AND return kicks. He was even our best WR during 2015 and posted back to back 700+ yard receiving campaigns. You literally dont know what you're talking about lol

You are the one whom doesn't know what they are talking about. He wasn't signed either time to be anything more than a speed guy, and 3rd receiver. Which he does pretty well at. 

It's not the Panthers fault for injuries forcing Ted Ginn to step up. Which he did admirably.  

 

[pantherclaw]

I don't like being rude, but you are literally talking out of your ass to support your opinion. 

The facts are against you, and it's not my fault you chose to ignore them because they don't support your opinion. That's called stupidity.  

[Mr Mojo Risin]

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I don't like being rude, but you are literally talking out of your ass to support your opinion. 

The facts are against you, and it's not my fault you chose to ignore them because they don't support your opinion. That's called stupidity.  

What facts LMAO? Am I missing something here? You haven't provided any facts to prove what you are saying is true. If anyone is talking out of their ass it's you