Big News 3.0... Joey Slye Extended

[TheSpecialJuan]

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The Panthers signed exclusive rights free agent kicker Joey Slye to a one-year deal. What that means for Graham Gano, who spent last season on injured reserve, remains to be seen. Gano's deal runs through 2021. He has a $4,337,500 salary cap figure in... https://es.pn/2unv6e4

8:30 AM · Feb 6, 2020

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

You sold me.

Lets get rid of every player on the team that cost us a game last year because they messed up.

I am waiting to hear that 98% of the team is being cut.

His 40+ and 50+ stats are extremely important because thats where his misses are.  You are quoting his misses while avoiding the context of those misses.  If our offense wasn't messing up  (Sorry, Kyle Allen, CMC, Moore, Samuel.  all should be cut now.  They could have done better in 1 or 2 plays in those same games I am sure) then he wouldn't be kicking from max distance so often.

Where did I say that we should get rid of him? The only issue I have is that you are pretty much quoting only his 50+ stats and using that as justification to say it wasn't his fault he struggled. No, he just plain struggled. Those were the facts. It didn't mean he was awful but he was mediocre at best overall. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Where did I say that we should get rid of him? The only issue I have is that you are pretty much quoting only his 50+ stats and using that as justification to say it wasn't his fault he struggled. No, he just plain struggled. Those were the facts. It didn't mean he was awful but he was mediocre at best overall

Other than the fact I quoted his 0-39 yard stats (9-10), his 40-49 yard stats (8-11), his 50-59 yard stats (8-11).

I focused on where his misses actually where.  What would you like to talk about concerning him hitting 90% when within the 40?

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Other than the fact I quoted his 0-39 yard stats (9-10), his 40-49 yard stats (8-11), his 50-59 yard stats (8-11).

I focused on where his misses actually where.  What would you like to talk about concerning him hitting 90% when within the 40?

You mean that fact that he was 27th of 33 inside the 40?  You are SUPPOSED to make those kicks as an NFL kicker.

 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

You mean that fact that he was 27th of 33 inside the 40?  You are SUPPOSED to make those kicks as an NFL kicker

And because our offense was so horrible, he barely got to actually kick it inside the 40.  Considering he literally had 1 miss.

These are the kickers that went 100% from unside the 40.

Luts (16), Lambo (21), McManus (15), Boswell (19), Bullock (16), Seibert (15), Bailey (19), Tucker (17), Myers (17), Elliot (15), Crosby ( 14).

Thats all.  If they had missed one, they'd still be ranked ahead of Slye purely because their offenses were good enough to actually get them close enough for more than 10 attempts within the 40.  That is 11 kickers that were actually perfect from within the 40.  The other 16 had a miss, but because their offenses werent poo, they had more attempts to get a higher fg%.  Slye didn't.

[JawnyBlaze]

Good. He has potential. If his yips continue, he can be replaced easily. Just glad we’re done with Gano. 

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

I am willing to give him another shot. I hope Gano can reclaim his consistency and be the guy, though. I feel better about him than Slye. 

Why would we keep paying a high priced aging and recently injured kicker on a team in the midst of a rebuild?

It's basically Slye and whoever else we bring in as a camp body.

[kungfoodude]

27 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

And because our offense was so horrible, he barely got to actually kick it inside the 40.  Considering he literally had 1 miss.

These are the kickers that went 100% from unside the 40.

Luts (16), Lambo (21), McManus (15), Boswell (19), Bullock (16), Seibert (15), Bailey (19), Tucker (17), Myers (17), Elliot (15), Crosby ( 14).

Thats all.  If they had missed one, they'd still be ranked ahead of Slye purely because their offenses were good enough to actually get them close enough for more than 10 attempts within the 40.  That is 11 kickers that were actually perfect from within the 40.  The other 16 had a miss, but because their offenses werent poo, they had more attempts to get a higher fg%.  Slye didn't.

You aren't being rational about this. The kicker's job is to kick and make kicks. Joey Slye was mediocre at that in 2019, in a bunch of different categories. He struggled, flat out. Not ALL the time but enough to matter and enough to aid us in losing games. You can try and justify it any way you want but it doesn't change the stats or the facts.

I don't care if we keep him or Gano or we get someone else, I just want some more consistency from that position. I really don't even know why you are so passionately arguing that he DIDN'T struggle. I think it was pretty obvious to the rest of us.

[TN05]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You aren't being rational about this. The kicker's job is to kick and make kicks. Joey Slye was mediocre at that in 2019, in a bunch of different categories. He struggled, flat out. Not ALL the time but enough to matter and enough to aid us in losing games. You can try and justify it any way you want but it doesn't change the stats or the facts.

I don't care if we keep him or Gano or we get someone else, I just want some more consistency from that position. I really don't even know why you are so passionately arguing that he DIDN'T struggle. I think it was pretty obvious to the rest of us.

You can’t reason with Slye fanboys just like you can’t reason with the Gettleman contingent.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You aren't being rational about this. The kicker's job is to kick and make kicks. Joey Slye was mediocre at that in 2019, in a bunch of different categories. He struggled, flat out. Not ALL the time but enough to matter and enough to aid us in losing games. You can try and justify it any way you want but it doesn't change the stats or the facts.

I don't care if we keep him or Gano or we get someone else, I just want some more consistency from that position. I really don't even know why you are so passionately arguing that he DIDN'T struggle. I think it was pretty obvious to the rest of us

I mean.  Sure.  I'd love Slye to be more consistent as well.  I haven't been trying to say he was a top tier kicker.  Or a pro bowl kicker.  I was only pushing back against the mindset that some people seem to be perturbed that he was even resigned on a low risk deal when I don't feel he was as bad as the stigma being placed on him was.  Does he need to improve?  Definitely.  But is he bad enough to be kicked to the curb with no replacement in sight?  No.

Especially when I am unsure if there are many kickers in the NFL that would have drastically had better kicking stats with Slye as long as our offense was as horrible as it was last year.

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Good. He has potential. If his yips continue, he can be replaced easily. Just glad we’re done with Gano. 

I wouldn't say we are necessarily done with Gano. I think that depends on his health and whether we are planning on keeping Slye. The 1 year deal doesn't really indicate to me that is the plan currently.

Cutting Gano will only generate $1.46 mil in cap space with $3 mil in dead cap. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

4 minutes ago, TN05 said:

You can’t reason with Slye fanboys just like you can’t reason with the Gettleman contingent

I find it amusing when someone says "Slye sucks" or "Slye struggled" as their argument, and my response is factual information...I am being the one called a fanboi you can't reason with.

One one side we have people avoiding information.  On another side we have people adding additional information.  The informed side is called the unreasonable side.

And for what its worth, I am not a Slye fanboi.  I don't care who our kicker is specifically.  I don't feel Slye has done enough to lock down a long term deal.  Only explaining why I am not against a 1 year low risk deal.

PS.  I did my best to avoid those pesky things like "facts" and "context" that apparently makes you poo posts.  

[Anybodyhome]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

He only really "struggled" because the team struggled.  He had a very large amount of 40+ and 50+ yard kicks that no kicker in the NFL was taking.  Our offense was so bad and would regularly sputter out, we'd send in Slye every time we hit the 50 yard line.

Why disappoint the fans and have the offense sputter in the red zone? Just have them quit around midfield and let the kicker try. Fans have a better chance of getting excited about a long range FG than a 20-yarder from inside the red zone.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I mean.  Sure.  I'd love Slye to be more consistent as well.  I haven't been trying to say he was a top tier kicker.  Or a pro bowl kicker.  I was only pushing back against the mindset that some people seem to be perturbed that he was even resigned on a low risk deal when I don't feel he was as bad as the stigma being placed on him was.  Does he need to improve?  Definitely.  But is he bad enough to be kicked to the curb with no replacement in sight?  No.

Especially when I am unsure if there are many kickers in the NFL that would have drastically had better kicking stats with Slye as long as our offense was as horrible as it was last year.

I don't think anyone was really perturbed by it. It makes logical sense to sign that tender because it has minimal cost and zero risk. He's a good insurance policy until Gano is healthy or until a better option comes along. He probably won't lose us as many games as our QB's, OL or DL do if we don't improve those situations.