Why the Panthers might Draft Herbert

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It has been mentioned frequently--I think we need a good free agency to fill some needs because there are literally thousands of possible approaches.  My response would be this:  Little and Daley were developing as rookie LTs.  At DT, we have nobody. 

Navy--I hear ya.  However, OTs take time to develop.  We had 2 rookies--one that missed the preseason with 2 concussions and never got on track, the other a fifth rounder that was decent at times.  The most growth occurs between the rookie and 2nd year---does that mean we should all feel good about LT?  No.  but we have bigger needs at DT, possibly QB and CB.  So may variables.

I do agree that LTs take time to develop. However... if the team chooses to roll with Newton, it doesn't have a lot of outtings where the LT can be manhandled like last season. I'm not sold on Little physically. That's before we even get to the mental aspect that takes a lot longer to develop. 

I also agree the DT position is a huge area of need. But a space eating DT is easier to find in FA than a starting caliber LT - and a whole lot cheaper. 

I'm not advocating draft strategy. Just offseason focus. The team has more speed on the outside pass rush than it ever has. Fix the DT position either via draft or FA and you won't need superstar CBs (see 2015). Fix the LT/RT positions either via draft or FA and you don't need superstar WRs for Cam. But with Moore, Samuel and CMC, this team has more offensive talent than it did in 2015 when it led the NFL in scoring. 

With Cam, this isn't a rebuild. Just need to fix a few key positions. Without him it's time to trade everybody with a lucrative contract (or with one coming up soon) for draft picks. 

[MHS831]

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Promise or not you could easily make the case the Rhule and company want to start fresh on the oline and not have to rely on a guy already with 2 concussions and a 6th round draft pick with a limited skill set. 

Sure you could.  I do not get people wanting to argue during group speculation (others).  I think free agency will let us know where we are headed into the draft.

If we sign 3 DTs, for example, you could be right.    Who are we going to sign in free agency--in a program rebuild--better than what we already have?  There are no LTs in free agency worth their price for any number of reasons. 

Here is how I look at it:
What are our biggest needs?

DT, OL, QB?, CB, WR, S?, LB (for example)

How deep is the draft for each position?

DT:  I see a drop off pretty early--second round.

OL: I think you could trade back for a T in the first.  I think the T depth is good if you are not looking for an immediate starter.  I am not sure there is a day 1 LT starter in this draft.  Thomas? probably. My favorite T with the biggest upside vs value is Ezra Cleveland in the third--but I also like Steele and Jones.  None day 1 starters,but neither was Daley.  Centers are plentiful in this draft.  I think a value could fall to us in the fourth.  Guard?  Pick your poison

QB: The top 3 are fairly solid, but I see the second round as projects that I would only draft if the plan is to keep Cam for another year.

How deep/expensive is free agency at those positions?

DT has the best selection.  Forget LT, QB--Bridgewater is as risky as Herbert and will be more expensive.

So what is the best strategy?  Depends on free agency.

[MHS831]

33 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I do agree that LTs take time to develop. However... if the team chooses to roll with Newton, it doesn't have a lot of outtings where the LT can be manhandled like last season. I'm not sold on Little physically. That's before we even get to the mental aspect that takes a lot longer to develop. 

I also agree the DT position is a huge area of need. But a space eating DT is easier to find in FA than a starting caliber LT - and a whole lot cheaper. 

I'm not advocating draft strategy. Just offseason focus. The team has more speed on the outside pass rush than it ever has. Fix the DT position either via draft or FA and you won't need superstar CBs (see 2015). Fix the LT/RT positions either via draft or FA and you don't need superstar WRs for Cam. But with Moore, Samuel and CMC, this team has more offensive talent than it did in 2015 when it led the NFL in scoring. 

With Cam, this isn't a rebuild. Just need to fix a few key positions. Without him it's time to trade everybody with a lucrative contract (or with one coming up soon) for draft picks. 

This (to me) is fun--I enjoy the exchanges--I really learn a lot from people.

[Growl]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

Did people miss that Little had 3 injuries two being concussions in one year. We can draft a QB next year let's protect the one we got this year. Smh. 

"Quarterback can wait"

It's like half of this board has never seen a professional football game

[SmittysLawnGuy]

1 hour ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Did people learn nothing from all the back and forth Grier hype and the discussions here about "drafting a QB because we have to" last year?

Some of these posters just want us to draft one because they want Cam out the door.

You get a lot of flack .. but you never lie.

It's absolutely ridiculous here. Absolutely ridiculous.

The utter disrespect for Cam, who is going to have a better next five years than Mahomes, is pathetic.

Watch and see. When Cam wins this franchise multiple rings nobody here will be able to celebrate. This place wanted that QB out the door. Save a few posters.

I'll light-hearted attack everyone.

We are setting a very dangerous president here. When you let the Rev. Jessie Jackson and the world's number 1 hugger join forces, you could be in for bad things. Probably a new toss Cam's salad day on the calendar.

 Now as far as Herbert goes, I've watched him his whole Career from being his towel boy in Pee Wee to his jock strap handler at Oregon. I've watched 362,424 hours of cut ups and  game film and I've come to one conclusion.

 

 

Keep Cam! Can you imagine wearing a Mr.Herbert Jersey?

[carolinarolls]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

The only time I recall Marty trading back in the first round is when he added a second rounder with the Jets (who got Revis) and we got Beason and Kalil out of the deal.  It was one his best trades--even though the value favored the Jets.  (The panthers also got a fifth for a sixth as part of the deal).  Trading up, however, has not been as fruitful for Marty.    

yes, but its an election year so maybe... "time for change"

[TheRed]

30 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

When you let the Rev. Jessie Jackson and the world's number 1 hugger join forces

 

 

What does Jesse Jackson have to do with any of this?

[SmittysLawnGuy]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

What does Jesse Jackson have do with any of this?

Reflections my friend. Reflections.

[Madwolf]

54 minutes ago, Growl said:

"Quarterback can wait"

It's like half of this board has never seen a professional football game

Drafting a bad QB higher than he should go, just because you need one, is a BAD way to draft.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

Drafting a bad QB higher than he should go, just because you need one, is a BAD way to draft.

It's what got us Little and now we are looking at a draft where the first 5 guys are better this year, then a guy with one year experience. Just wasting draft picks and filling the roster with junk while some here pretend that a warm body is a good body because you already paid for it so it has to work out...right? SMH

[Growl]

16 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

Drafting a bad QB higher than he should go, just because you need one, is a BAD way to draft.

stunning revelation, maybe we should just avoid taking any player at all, can't risk taking a bust!

lol absolutely stunning revelation boy-o

 

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It's what got us Little and now we are looking at a draft where the first 5 guys are better this year, then a guy with one year experience. Just wasting draft picks and filling the roster with junk while some here pretend that a warm body is a good body because you already paid for it so it has to work out...right? SMH

why don't you break down Greg littles play in depth for us

[Madwolf]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

stunning revelation, maybe we should just avoid taking any player at all, can't risk taking a bust!

lol stunning revelation boy-o

 

Right, we should take the 3rd best QB instead of an immediate impact DT, OT, or LB. There is a dirth of talent there that have higher ceilings and higher floors than Herbert at their positions.

We still have Cam, and next year has plenty of talent at QB. There is no reason to get pulled into draft a lower potential QB at the expense of other positions of need just you WANT one now. You can hope in one hand and crap in the other and I don't need to guess at which one fills up first. You make take the most talented player, especially at a position of need. You don't draft scraps.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Growl said:

why don't you break down Greg littles play in depth for us

I can in one GIF.