Why the Panthers might Draft Herbert

[MHS831]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the percentage of people, even in the Huddle, that want Cam gone is pretty small. It's just a vocal minority. 

Some have probably resigned themselves to assuming he IS gone but that's different than wanting him gone. 

Regardless of whether he comes back or not, we have to improve our backup QB situation. We can't continue to trot out Allen and Grier and it just be okay. 

There are fans and Sofa GMs on here.  I am a Sofa GM.  I try to analyze the situation based on my reading of the tea leaves and then I enjoy discussing possibilities--it does not matter what I want--it matters what I think they will do.  Some have a difficult time grasping that and attack you for it.  Silly.  Well said, by the way--

[carolinarolls]

I like Love.  Some of the others here are interesting.  But, none of them at 7, not even Burrow.  We need aggressive beef on the line(s).  I hope we trade out of 7 actually.  That is a terrible spot to be in for our needs right now in my opinion.

[MHS831]

16 minutes ago, Snake said:

We quite possibly could be picking first next year so why not wait. Definitely some good QBs coming out next year. If we never fix our line it won't matter much. 

If we have Cam and address the lines, I think we can be decent. What if the plan is to not keep a 31-year old Newton based on the durability concerns and the contract demands?  What if they simply want a young QB to lead the charge into the next era? 

Tepper's mindset was forged as a teenage fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers--when they brought in a rookie named Bradshaw who threw something 24 interceptions vs. 6 TDs and completed 38.1% of his passes as a rookie.  Three years later...

[TheRed]

Just now, MHS831 said:

If we have Cam and address the lines, I think we can be decent. What if the plan is to not keep a 31-year old Newton based on the durability concerns and the contract demands?  What if they simply want a young QB to lead the charge into the next era? 

Tepper's mindset was forged as a teenage fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers--when they brought in a rookie named Bradshaw who threw something 24 interceptions vs. 6 TDs and completed 38.1% of his passes as a rookie.  Three years later...

You wanted him gone as early as summer 2013.

Please dispense with this "I'm more objective than anyone else here" nonsense.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, carolinarolls said:

I like Love.  Some of the others here are interesting.  But, none of them at 7, not even Burrow.  We need aggressive beef on the line(s).  I hope we trade out of 7 actually.  That is a terrible spot to be in for our needs right now in my opinion.

The only time I recall Marty trading back in the first round is when he added a second rounder with the Jets (who got Revis) and we got Beason and Kalil out of the deal.  It was one his best trades--even though the value favored the Jets.  (The panthers also got a fifth for a sixth as part of the deal).  Trading up, however, has not been as fruitful for Marty.    

[mrcompletely11]

34 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Those not wanting him gone but are "resigned" to the fact he is gone are weak, and just as bad.

How could you resign yourself to the fact your 30 year old franchise QB is leaving .. THIRTY year old FRANCHISE QB .. put two and two together.

Thirty year old franchise QB's don't leave. Common sense here.

we have given you reasons you just refuse to listen to them

 

And now we have NFL insiders, our team beat writers and other team beat writers all alluding to the fact that its a strong possibility.  Now I doubt all of them are just making crap up out of thin air.

[MHS831]

10 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You wanted him gone as early as summer 2013.

Please dispense with this "I'm more objective than anyone else here" nonsense.

All you do is attack other posters. Imagine that day when your brain generates an original, contributing thought. 

So sad that you keep up with me like that--2013?  Here ya go:

https://www.psychguides.com/guides/mental-health-hotline/

 

[Navy_football]

No. This team was in more of a rebuild in 2015 than it is now. Older FA LT that hadn't lived up to potential, and unproven undrafted FA right tackle. #1 WR down in preseason. A bunch of slow, old FA DBs. A bunch of old past-their-prime pass rushers. Got lucky with all because Cam Newton had good protection and played lights out. Also a couple of young DTs made everyone else's jobs easier on the defense.

The LT position killed this offense last season. Started in preseason by getting Cam injured. Then completed the job by getting Kyle and Will killed later in the season. 

Fix that position. Keep Cam. Fix the DT position. Do those 3 things and this team competes for a playoff birth. That's not a rebuild. That's having a productive offseason. Period.  

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

No. This team was in more of a rebuild in 2015 than it is now. Older FA LT that hadn't lived up to potential, and unproven undrafted FA right tackle. #1 WR down in preseason. A bunch of slow, old FA DBs. A bunch of old past-their-prime pass rushers. Got lucky with all because Cam Newton had good protection and played lights out. Also a couple of young DTs made everyone else's jobs easier on the defense.

The LT position killed this offense last season. Started in preseason by getting Cam injured. Then completed the job by getting Kyle and Will killed later in the season. 

Fix that position. Keep Cam. Fix the DT position. Do those 3 things and this team competes for a playoff birth. That's not a rebuild. That's having a productive offseason. Period.  

IIRC it was the right side of the line that totally broke down on the play he got hurt

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

All you do is attack other posters.

You were just calling someone a nut hugger multiple times barely an hour ago.

lol

[MHS831]

41 minutes ago, Snake said:

Did people miss that Little had 3 injuries two being concussions in one year. We can draft a QB next year let's protect the one we got this year. Smh. 

It has been mentioned frequently--I think we need a good free agency to fill some needs because there are literally thousands of possible approaches.  My response would be this:  Little and Daley were developing as rookie LTs.  At DT, we have nobody. 

Navy--I hear ya.  However, OTs take time to develop.  We had 2 rookies--one that missed the preseason with 2 concussions and never got on track, the other a fifth rounder that was decent at times.  The most growth occurs between the rookie and 2nd year---does that mean we should all feel good about LT?  No.  but we have bigger needs at DT, possibly QB and CB.  So may variables.

[kungfoodude]

47 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Those not wanting him gone but are "resigned" to the fact he is gone are weak, and just as bad.

How could you resign yourself to the fact your 30 year old franchise QB is leaving .. THIRTY year old FRANCHISE QB .. put two and two together.

Thirty year old franchise QB's don't leave. Common sense here.

Because if the team decides to move him or not resign him there is literally nothing the fans could do about it? 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It has been mentioned frequently--I think we need a good free agency to fill some needs because there are literally thousands of possible approaches.  My response would be this:  Little and Daley were developing as rookie LTs.  At DT, we have nobody. 

Navy--I hear ya.  However, OTs take time to develop.  We had 2 rookies--one that missed the preseason with 2 concussions and never got on track, the other a fifth rounder that was decent at times.  The most growth occurs between the rookie and 2nd year---does that mean we should all feel good about LT?  No.  but we have bigger needs at DT, possibly QB and CB.  So may variables.

Promise or not you could easily make the case the Rhule and company want to start fresh on the oline and not have to rely on a guy already with 2 concussions and a 6th round draft pick with a limited skill set. 

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It has been mentioned frequently--I think we need a good free agency to fill some needs because there are literally thousands of possible approaches.  My response would be this:  Little and Daley were developing as rookie LTs.  At DT, we have nobody. 

Navy--I hear ya.  However, OTs take time to develop.  We had 2 rookies--one that missed the preseason with 2 concussions and never got on track, the other a fifth rounder that was decent at times.  The most growth occurs between the rookie and 2nd year---does that mean we should all feel good about LT?  No.  but we have bigger needs at DT, possibly QB and CB.  So may variables.

DT's are also a lot easier to obtain than LT's. IMO, if a franchise LT is available, you gotta take him. While our DT situation is also dire, our OL situation is even worse. We do have two legit starters in Poe and Short(assuming both return healthy) and really just need to shore up quality depth. On the OL, we have basically two starters(Turner and Moton). Every other position is not only average or below average at the starting spot but our depth is atrocious, as well. That unit is in shambles and we have to correct that in the short term and the long term. Part of that is guys like GVR(assuming he is back), Little and Daley being there but that isn't much in the way of quality depth. We MUST attempt to actually fix this.

As you said on the variables, we may go from a few needs to an overwhelming amount of needs in a short period of time when free agency kicks off. And that will very little cap space in comparison to the possible needs we will have. It's going to be an extremely, extremely challenging offseason, even if Cam does return. It will basically be an impossible offseason if he does not.