Another year, another draft thread.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

There is also a DT in that tier, and several more that will probably be good value in the 3rd round.

Also your table only has 42 people so there is no guarantee those CBs make it to pick 38, but I do like those CBs also.

Honestly we could go:

1st-DT and 2nd-CB or 1st-CB and 2nd-DT and get a good combo.

 

 

I'm good either way, I just feel we can get a quality CB in round 2 without reaching because it's so deep in this range.  There are a couple of DT in this range, but the chances of them being gone is higher than all those corners getting drafted.   In other words, I'm playing the percentages.

[t96]

@Verge have you heard anything on Denzel Mims? Connections to Panthers or just where you/your friend think he’ll go... The Rhule Baylor connection and where he’s expected to go (early 2ndish) along with his upside just got me thinking about him. 

 

Sorry if you’ve already posted it here this thread is long as hell and I may have missed some things.

[MHS831]

Based on when people are expected to go,  there are three first round CBs.  There are about 6-7 second round CBs.  The second round---unless you can get Okudah, is where you should grab the CB.

The first round sure looks DT, but if Simmons is there, how do you pass him up?  That changes everything---and I would estimate that the likelihood for Simmons to be there is 80%. 

Don't make me pull my January analysis that shows where I predicted Simmons.  I will do it--don't make me do it.  Cause i will.

If so, you grab DT in the second round and hope a 2nd round-level CB falls to us at pick 69 in the third. Or you take the CB--our biggest need---and you take the DL in rounds 3-4.

Do not be surprised if an edge player pops into the picture in the third round and drives DT down the ladder a bit.  Greeland from UF is who I have in mind.  He is a good fit here.

So how urgently do we need a DT?  Not as urgently as most think.  We can move Obada inside on some downs.  We have KK Short and Kerr--the starters.  A rotational DT....that is what we need.  Maybe a NT.   But CB is a bigger need, and if we take Simmons in the first round, I think we still go CB in round 2.  DE/DT in round 3.  That will make some angry--but if we draft Simmons, it gets complicated.

 

 

[AU-panther]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Based on when people are expected to go,  there are three first round CBs.  There are about 6-7 second round CBs.  The second round---unless you can get Okudah, is where you should grab the CB.

The first round sure looks DT, but if Simmons is there, how do you pass him up?  That changes everything---and I would estimate that the likelihood for Simmons to be there is 80%. 

Don't make me pull my January analysis that shows where I predicted Simmons.  I will do it--don't make me do it.  Cause i will.

If so, you grab DT in the second round and hope a 2nd round-level CB falls to us at pick 69 in the third. Or you take the CB--our biggest need---and you take the DL in rounds 3-4.

Do not be surprised if an edge player pops into the picture in the third round and drives DT down the ladder a bit.  Greeland from UF is who I have in mind.  He is a good fit here.

So how urgently do we need a DT?  Not as urgently as most think.  We can move Obada inside on some downs.  We have KK Short and Kerr--the starters.  A rotational DT....that is what we need.  Maybe a NT.   But CB is a bigger need, and if we take Simmons in the first round, I think we still go CB in round 2.  DE/DT in round 3.  That will make some angry--but if we draft Simmons, it gets complicated.

 

 

who is the third 1st round CB?

I keep hearing after the first 2, there is really no consensus

I'm sure at least 3 will go in the 1st, I'm just not convinced who the third will be.

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

There's no way CB is our biggest need over DT. You can somewhat scheme around a weakness at CB if you have a defensive front, but if you're trash at DT your D is gonna be trash. Right now we're trash at DT.

[AU-panther]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no way CB is our biggest need over DT. You can somewhat scheme around a weakness at CB if you have a defensive front, but if you're trash at DT your D is gonna be trash. Right now we're trash at DT.

Just because DT is our biggest need (debatable) that doesn't mean you have to spend a first round pick. 

That is the good thing about DTs, you can find usually find them later in the draft easier then CBs, also they tend to be a lot cheaper in free agency.  I'm sure there.

 

 

[Jared Patterson]

24 minutes ago, t96 said:

@Verge have you heard anything on Denzel Mims? Connections to Panthers or just where you/your friend think he’ll go... The Rhule Baylor connection and where he’s expected to go (early 2ndish) along with his upside just got me thinking about him. 

 

Sorry if you’ve already posted it here this thread is long as hell and I may have missed some things.

I can actually answer this. Per Matt Miller, Tony Pauline, etc. Mims could go in the teens as of now, some view him up there with the top 3 guys. I expects him to be the fourth or fifth receiver off the board in the 20's. Wont make it to round 2. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no way CB is our biggest need over DT. You can somewhat scheme around a weakness at CB if you have a defensive front, but if you're trash at DT your D is gonna be trash. Right now we're trash at DT.

So take one in round 2-3-4 like most teams already do anyways 

[Toomers]

35 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Based on when people are expected to go,  there are three first round CBs.  There are about 6-7 second round CBs.  The second round---unless you can get Okudah, is where you should grab the CB.

The first round sure looks DT, but if Simmons is there, how do you pass him up?  That changes everything---and I would estimate that the likelihood for Simmons to be there is 80%. 

Don't make me pull my January analysis that shows where I predicted Simmons.  I will do it--don't make me do it.  Cause i will.

If so, you grab DT in the second round and hope a 2nd round-level CB falls to us at pick 69 in the third. Or you take the CB--our biggest need---and you take the DL in rounds 3-4.

Do not be surprised if an edge player pops into the picture in the third round and drives DT down the ladder a bit.  Greeland from UF is who I have in mind.  He is a good fit here.

So how urgently do we need a DT?  Not as urgently as most think.  We can move Obada inside on some downs.  We have KK Short and Kerr the starters. rotational DT....that is what we need.  Maybe a NT.   But CB is a bigger need, and if we take Simmons in the first round, I think we still go CB in round 2.  DE/DT in round 3.  That will make some angry--but if we draft Simmons, it gets complicated.

 

 

A 30 year old that has started 12 games in 6 years shouldn’t be considered at all during the draft. There’s a reason he signed a 2 yr/ 3M contract. 
 

 We have Tahir Whitehead who is a much more accomplished than Kerr. Does that mean we don’t have a need at LB and should pass on Simmons? 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I'm good either way, I just feel we can get a quality CB in round 2 without reaching because it's so deep in this range.  There are a couple of DT in this range, but the chances of them being gone is higher than all those corners getting drafted.   In other words, I'm playing the percentages.

That's debatable.  I've seen other list with 5 DTs in the top 50 and less CBs.

Honestly both positions we should be able to fill at 38.  Our 3rd round pick on the other hand I would feel a lot better using on a DT then a CB.

Personally If I was to go CB in the first, I would probably wait until the 3rd for DT.  That way I could use the 2nd on a DE or WR.

If I go DT in the first, I pretty much have to go CB in the second, and then I don't feel near as good about a DE or WR in the third.

 

 

[AU-panther]

What sounds better? 

Short and Kerr as your starters?

or 

Jackson, Elder, and Luke as your starters?

On paper, the CB position is a bigger need, and honestly the contracts kind of say the same thing.  Kerr's contract is more inline with someone expecting to start or at least be in the rotation.

This doesn't mean we have to spend the first on a CB but I can't see how people think DT is a lot bigger need then CB.

 

 

[SOJA]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What sounds better? 

Short and Kerr as your starters?

or 

Jackson, Elder, and Luke as your starters?

On paper, the CB position is a bigger need, and honestly the contracts kind of say the same thing.  Kerr's contract is more inline with someone expecting to start or at least be in the rotation.

This doesn't mean we have to spend the first on a CB but I can't see how people think DT is a lot bigger need then CB.

 

 

in other words, we are screwed next year unless this draft goes perfectly

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What sounds better? 

Short and Kerr as your starters?

or 

Jackson, Elder, and Luke as your starters?

On paper, the CB position is a bigger need, and honestly the contracts kind of say the same thing.  Kerr's contract is more inline with someone expecting to start or at least be in the rotation.

This doesn't mean we have to spend the first on a CB but I can't see how people think DT is a lot bigger need then CB.

 

 

Short is probably a cap casualty after this year and we aren't competing this season anyway. We have way too many holes to patch this off-season to compete this coming season.

[Toomers]

33 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What sounds better? 

Short and Kerr as your starters?

or 

Jackson, Elder, and Luke as your starters?

On paper, the CB position is a bigger need, and honestly the contracts kind of say the same thing.  Kerr's contract is more inline with someone expecting to start or at least be in the rotation.

This doesn't mean we have to spend the first on a CB but I can't see how people think DT is a lot bigger need then CB.

 

 

 A 2 ye/3M total contract with 500k guaranteed is inline with someone expecting to start? Something he has done 12 times in 6 years and is 30 years old. That is simply not true at all.