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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Well, there is some argument that says RR wanted Cam---had to talk MH into it.  Marty wanted to develop Clausen for another year.  Marty was leaning Marcel Dareus---going from memory. Signing Jake was perhaps the best free agent signing in our history---and Stephen Davis at about the same time.   Think about the impact those two made.
Here are some highlights:

Tries to trade up for Clausen

Trades up for Amanti Edwards

Resigns Stewart and DWill to monster deals when RB was being devalued

Lets Peppers walk

Re-signed Jake Delhomme after Tommy John surgery

DT--Drafted McClain, Fua,, Corvey Irvin, Nick Hayden, A. Ellison, Moorehood

 

WOW, if you or I were the GM, we could have done this well--without miles of tapes, interview data, scouts scanning the nation, etc. 

Davis/Delhomme were awesome, but Marty lived for a long time on the success of the core he inherited--players like Jenkins, for example. 

When Marty's job was on the line, he started trading away first rounders and future high draft picks--how did he do?

Everette Brown for a first rounder'

Jeff Otah for a first rounder

Armanti Edwards for the 33rd overall pick

Frank Alexander for third and a fifth rounder.  Alexander was a fourth round pick and Greatful dead head.

My theory?  Marty only had extensive knowledge on the players he was targeting per round--no BPA--he was targeting players.  When it does not go to plan, he improvised and went by name recognition.  But when his job was on the line, he threw away next year's capital to try to meet needs.  He failed miserably.

 

I'm not saying Marty didn't make mistakes.. But at no point will I compare my couch potato ass to his knowledge of football.. Because he has hits I wasn't even close to.. And some of his misses are stuff I agreed with.. Same with Gettelmen.. 

Example of a mistake now that I agree with then..

Everrtte Brown 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/everette-brown-1.html

College numbers and production wasn't bad and he look like he was on a incline.. 

Jeff Otah his 1st year was a hit.. He failed due to his football commitment and stuff you couldn't see from a scouting breakdown...

And You got Frank Alexander fuged up..

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/frank-alexander-1.html

His college Numbers were strong coming out.. He failed but his numbers and production in college say that might be a steal in the 4th round.. 

There are hits and misses on alot of GM history...

The trade down to get Beason Kalil and Jarret was considered a master class move at that time... 

Plain and simple if you put the Microscope on any GM's history you would see the same sorts things with hits and complete fails...

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2 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:
Hearing from a lot of very difference sources this morning that Andrew Thomas could be the first OT off the board.

That probably means that Gettleman and the Giants have him as their #1 OT. It's also just reverting to pre-Combine hype. Thomas was the presumed #1 OT prior to the underwear Olympics.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That probably means that Gettleman and the Giants have him as their #1 OT. It's also just reverting to pre-Combine hype. Thomas was the presumed #1 OT prior to the underwear Olympics.

This also goes back to my assumption 2 of the 3 defensive guys will be there when we pick at #7.  Still likely Okudah goes to the Lions.

All I have to say about taking Brown over Simmons is remember how demonstratively frustrated Luke was last year when the DL couldn't keep him clean?  That was Luke 'the man' Kuechly.  Now, put a rookie in that scenario.  That sexy 40 time suddenly means little when a O-lineman is plastered onto a guy and effectively has taken him out of a play...routinely.

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1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

I'm not saying Marty didn't make mistakes.. But at no point will I compare my couch potato ass to his knowledge of football.. Because he has hits I wasn't even close to.. And some of his misses are stuff I agreed with.. Same with Gettelmen.. 

Example of a mistake now that I agree with then..

Everrtte Brown 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/everette-brown-1.html

College numbers and production wasn't bad and he look like he was on a incline.. 

Jeff Otah his 1st year was a hit.. He failed due to his football commitment and stuff you couldn't see from a scouting breakdown...

And You got Frank Alexander fuged up..

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/frank-alexander-1.html

His college Numbers were strong coming out.. He failed but his numbers and production in college say that might be a steal in the 4th round.. 

There are hits and misses on alot of GM history...

The trade down to get Beason Kalil and Jarret was considered a master class move at that time... 

Plain and simple if you put the Microscope on any GM's history you would see the same sorts things with hits and complete fails...

I agree-but the one year when Fox was a lame duck and he did not have much input from John Fox:

No first (traded for Brown)

2nd Clausen, offers to trade up, declined---Clausen fell to us--passing KC and Minnesota in the second round---after they passed on him in the first round--and they were desperate for a QB.

3rd.  Brandon Lafell---decent

3rd Trade up with NE to give them next year's 33rd pick:  Armanti Edwards

4th Eric Norwood.  Local kid made good---best for a 3-4?  Yes.

5th Greg Hardy:  Perhaps his best pick ever if you consider the round. 

So how good is Hurney if that was his unbridled draft?

 

You make a good point about some of his picks turning out well and some I wanted too.

Hurney is also terrible at certain positions---like DT.  He sucks at DT.  CB?  Not great.   WR?  After Smith---he did nothing to bring in quality WRs successfully until Norv Turner salivated over Moore.  In fact, we got Carter based on Norv's visit to MD. 

 

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7 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:
#NFLDraft expert and #Broncos Insider@CecilLammeytold@bstokley14and@byeslinethe latest buzz:@Pantherseyeing CB CJ Henderson within top 10.@MiamiDolphinslike QB Justin Herbert. (I can confirm ‘Fins interest in Herbert from source last Jan@ShrineBowl)

NO HURNEY! Move down if you want Henderson!

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3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

NO HURNEY! Move down if you want Henderson!

Henderson is not that far off from Okudah and is rumored to be moving up, possibly into the top-10. Might also be why we've ignored CB in FA because we are targeting Okudah and CJ.

That being said, I would prefer Brown and Simmons over him, but do understand if he is the selection when you look at our CB depth. Arguably lacking a CB1 and CB2 (I think Donte is a perfect high-end nickel/CB3).

Henderson is 6'1", 202lb and ran a 4.39 40. He also had very, very impressive combine numbers - 37.5" vert, 127 long jump and 20 bench reps. He is not Okudah, but Henderson is a very competent and promising CB1. 

I too would prefer a move back a couple of slots and add an asset or two, but I think the "player" we select in round 1 will be a very good player that will solidify whichever unit he is added to...... Brown/Kinlaw at DT, Simmons at LB/S, Okudah/Henderson at CB. 

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1 minute ago, Soul Rebel said:

Henderson is not that far off from Okudah and is rumored to be moving up, possibly into the top-10. Might also be why we've ignored CB in FA because we are targeting Okudah and CJ.

That being said, I would prefer Brown and Simmons over him, but do understand if he is the selection when you look at our CB depth. Arguably lacking a CB1 and CB2 (I think Donte is a perfect high-end nickel/CB3).

Henderson is 6'1", 202lb and ran a 4.39 40. He also had very, very impressive combine numbers - 37.5" vert, 127 long jump and 20 bench reps. He is not Okudah, but Henderson is a very competent and promising CB1. 

I too would prefer a move back a couple of slots and add an asset or two, but I think the "player" we select in round 1 will be a very good player that will solidify whichever unit he is added to...... Brown/Kinlaw at DT, Simmons at LB/S, Okudah/Henderson at CB. 

Have you seen Henderson tackle?  Okudah may not have the 40 time Henderson did, but is a fearless tackler.  Henderson is edge corner that is timid with in the box tackling.  We already have Action Jackson trying to tackle guys by their shoe strings.  A trade down to the mid-teens, sure, I'd take Henderson, but not at #7 where there are better players.

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This is GBN's Value Board.  For those thinking teams use a big board format on draft day, this is more typical of the format used.

GBN Value Board

GBN Value Board

Tier Prospects
1 QB Joe Burrow
DE Chase Young
2 LB Isaiah Simmons
CB Jeff Okudah
DT Derrick Brown
QB Tua Tagovailoa
3 QB Justin Herbert
WR CeeDee Lamb; Jerry Jeudy; Henry Ruggs;
OT Tristan Wirfs; Jedrick Wills; Mehki Becton
DT Javon Kinlaw
4 QB Jordan Love
WR Justin Jefferson
OT Andrew Thomas
ER K'Lavon Chaisson
LB Patrick Queen; Kenneth Murray
CB CJ Henderson
S Grant Delpit
5 QB Jacob Eason
RB D'Andre Swift; Jonathan Taylor
WR Tee Higgins; Denzel Mims; Brandon Aiyuk; Laviska Shenault
OT Josh Jones; Ezra Cleveland; Austin Jackson
C Cesar Ruiz
DE Yetur Gross-Matos; AJ Epenesa
DT Ross Blacklock
LB Zack Baun
CB Trevon Diggs; Kristian Fulton; AJ Terrell; Jaylon Johnson
S Xavier McKinney
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