Another year, another draft thread.

[thefuzz]

Just now, theinstrumental said:

It's still pretty close to a full rebuild, right? We've got an average QB and like five starters on defense. 

No, it's a half assed retooling.

We needed to accelerate as much dead cap as we could this season so that all of it was off the books after 2020.  Extend Bradberry and Moton, and if you had to CMC, and front load the hell out of those deals.  Let Kyle, Will, or camp arm duke it out for the starting and backup positions.  Sign as few free agents as possible while fielding a team, and load up on comp picks for next season, while keeping your cap hit's low...make a lot of cap space moving forward after this coming season.

Take your QB next year, build the OL this year through the draft, and through FA next offseason....have tons of cap space to plug holes, and tons of draft picks to get young, fast, hungry players on the field.

Win in 2022.

That's a full rebuild, we are just playing "just the tip".

[MHS831]

39 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

• O.K., so who is looking at trading up? Three teams that seem to be investigating it pretty pointedly: Tampa, Denver and Atlanta. The Bucs and Broncos, I’ve heard, could be going up for one of the top four linemen (Becton, Jedrick Wills, Tristan Wirfs and Andrew Thomas), making Jacksonville’s slot, at No. 9, a potential hotspot, given the needs the Browns and Jets have at 10 and 11. It’s not as clear what the Falcons would be pursuing, though GM Thomas Dimitroff has always, in the past, been more proactive than most in looking at the option of moving up.

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Good post. 

Word on the street (as I was researching what teams may do, I found some Cam rumors on the Jags sites---they feel the Jags are the frontrunner to sign Cam Newton.  They also have a QB coach who has ties to Andy Dalton.

There seems to be interest in Jax (fans, anyway and bloggers) for trading back.  Current speculation at #9 is Brown (they were not happy with his 8.22 3-cone at the combine, however, suggesting that he is a 1-dimensional DT) Becton (LT), and Lamb (WR).  Teams looking for a T might trade with the Jags, but they might try to trade with us first.  The Cards are looking OT as well, and if a team like Tampa sees their guy possibly going somewhere else, they will move to protect Tompa Baydee.

I see Tampa Bay or Denver offering us a second rounder to move up.  Not common to trade in the division, but....

 

Final point:  There are 4 tackles who project to day1 starters--2 played LT, 2 played RT.  Teams want that day 1 starter.  If the Giants take Thomas as projected, that leaves 1 LT and 2 who must convert. 

Everyone knows the Cards want an OT.   So they are not trading out.  If a team wants their choice of these 3 tackles, you gotta call Carolina.

So it comes down to this:  Do you want Brown or Simmons, or would you be happy with Kinlaw and an additional second rounder?

[SmittysLawnGuy]

23 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

No, it's a half assed retooling.

We needed to accelerate as much dead cap as we could this season so that all of it was off the books after 2020.  Extend Bradberry and Moton, and if you had to CMC, and front load the hell out of those deals.  Let Kyle, Will, or camp arm duke it out for the starting and backup positions.  Sign as few free agents as possible while fielding a team, and load up on comp picks for next season, while keeping your cap hit's low...make a lot of cap space moving forward after this coming season.

Take your QB next year, build the OL this year through the draft, and through FA next offseason....have tons of cap space to plug holes, and tons of draft picks to get young, fast, hungry players on the field.

Win in 2022.

That's a full rebuild, we are just playing "just the tip".

Pie this man! That's how you go from worst to first.

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

Pie this man! That's how you go from worst to first.

The problem with extending Bradberry is we don't know how he fits. At that salary, he needs to be a perfect fit.  He may be, but they did not hesitate to let him walk.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The problem with extending Bradberry is we don't know how he fits. At that salary, he needs to be a perfect fit.  He may be, but they did not hesitate to let him walk.

I would leave off the Bradberry part but the rest was damnn near spot on. Especially  front end loading guys like McCaffery.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

I would leave off the Bradberry part but the rest was damnn near spot on. Especially  front end loading guys like McCaffery.

I'm just of the feeling that JB could play in pretty much any system, and at the very worst would be a starting CB for a long time...say 3 years....or pretty much what he got.  We just wouldn't have a chasm at CB like we do right now that we have to address.

And yes to front loading all deals, unless you are on the very edge of a Lombardi.

[Mother Grabber]

rumor is that the Pats love them some Herbert. Maybe we can get them to trade up, if he’s still there are 7. I’m sure it will somehow end up costing us next years 1st, because Hurney.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Especially surprising with Judge's ties to Alabama and Wills Jr's ability to start on the RT before moving over to LT.

Unless Gettleman is looking for a pure RT?

I watched a compilation of Jone's fumbles--shared below.

Many of them were caused by people who abused Solder, the 32-year old LT they got from New England.

He is halfway through a nearly-$70m, 4-year contract.  Did Gettlemen sign his matt kalil in NY?

Solder sure looks bad in these clips. RT is probably what they are looking to upgrade, but the LT spot might be the biggest concern related to Jones and his turnovers.  Of course, I am basing that opinion on few plays,  but the Jones turnover situation was a big issue in NY last season.

 

[SmittysLawnGuy]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

I'm just of the feeling that JB could play in pretty much any system, and at the very worst would be a starting CB for a long time...say 3 years....or pretty much what he got.  We just wouldn't have a chasm at CB like we do right now that we have to address.

And yes to front loading all deals, unless you are on the very edge of a Lombardi.

Well said, was about to chime that in. Even a new Bradberry deal would be worth it cause let's face it. The point is to set up for next year which would put him on a modest deal.

[Icege]

36 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I watched a compilation of Jone's fumbles--shared below.

Many of them were caused by people who abused Solder, the 32-year old LT they got from New England.

He is halfway through a nearly-$70m, 4-year contract.  Did Gettlemen sign his matt kalil in NY?

Solder sure looks bad in these clips. RT is probably what they are looking to upgrade, but the LT spot might be the biggest concern related to Jones and his turnovers.  Of course, I am basing that opinion on few plays,  but the Jones turnover situation was a big issue in NY last season.

 

Yea, that was why I figured they'd target Wills Jr. Start him on the right side this year and then next season, cut Solder on the last year of his deal and accrue just $6.5M in dead cap while opening up $14M in cap space.

Unless, of course, Gettleman is looking at the free agency class for 2021 OTs. A lot of vets at the end of their careers as well as second contract guys like Taylor Moton might be coming available. That way they can have the books balanced with the rookie contract and an impact signing.

Tho as much as I think Gettleman is a good GM, his OT targets in free agency have not been the best.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Icege said:

Yea, that was why I figured they'd target Wills Jr. Start him on the right side this year and then next season, cut Solder on the last year of his deal and accrue just $6.5M in dead cap while opening up $14M in cap space.

Unless, of course, Gettleman is looking at the free agency class for 2021 OTs. A lot of vets at the end of their careers as well as second contract guys like Taylor Moton might be coming available. That way they can have the books balanced with the rookie contract and an impact signing.

Tho as much as I think Gettleman is a good GM, his OT targets in free agency have not been the best.

He has now signed two OT's that have been pretty big letdowns.

That said, I think that the Kalil one was not his doing...but he signed him to the deal, so he has to be held accountable.

I do wonder if it's just gotten damn near impossible to find above average T's in this new NFL?

[Icege]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He has now signed two OT's that have been pretty big letdowns.

That said, I think that the Kalil one was not his doing...but he signed him to the deal, so he has to be held accountable.

I do wonder if it's just gotten damn near impossible to find above average T's in this new NFL?

Yea, it's wild especially when you take into consideration Gettleman's only questionable OL that he drafted was Kugbila (which can be chalked up to injuries more than a lack of an eye for talent). Turner, DWill, and Moton have all been super solid (well, DWill was until his body fell apart).

Then again, when we look at his UDFAs + FAs... I mean, Byron Bell was asked to do way too much but wasn't a bad find all things considered (it wasn't his fault that he was left handed! ). Chandler tho? Foucault? Kalil & Remmers!?!? Uuuugh.

Ok, gotta be fair to Remmers... he was better than Byron Bell. He just shouldn't have been solo against Von Miller in the SB :(

[Jared Patterson]

10 hours ago, Verge said:

It's going to be Wirfs or Simmons.

Its gotta be Wirfs right? No way they take Simmons with Peppers and signing Martinez. They need Oline sooo bad.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Ok, gotta be fair to Remmers... he was better than Byron Bell. He just shouldn't have been solo against Von Miller in the SB :(

Where did Ron think Miller was going to attack us?  No adjustments.  Rivera is the most overrated coach ever.  Full stop