Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Another year, another draft thread.

Verge

By Verge,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted

 And then as soon as I say that I definitively wouldn't take a RB in the first three rounds, I think about the possibility of a JK Dobbins or Clyde Edwards-Helaire being there on the board in the 3rd. We no longer have a dinosaur running the offense. If we added a guy like that, I think Brady would put together package where one of those guys would be on the field in the backfield with CMC and packages where CMC would just straight up line up as a slot WR. It would open up a LOT of possibilities for an innovative play caller. I always wished that Norv would've done some of this stuff with Samuel.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheSpecialJuan Grand Master

TheSpecialJuan

Posted
Posted

Jourdan Rodrigue
@JourdanRodrigue
Stantley Thomas Oliver, FIU cornerback, had a video call with Panthers per a source. Couple notables here: 
- The Panthers could (probably should) bookend the earlier and later rounds of the draft w corners.
- STO ran a 4.48 and is a WR-CB convert with good development potential.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheSpecialJuan Grand Master

TheSpecialJuan

Posted
Posted


@JourdanRodrigue
Those are qualities that pair very well with a Matt Rhule/Phil Snow system


@JourdanRodrigue

I have so often matched them to Igbinoghene in the early 2nd round because similarly, he is a WR-CB convert who shows real talent on this side despite newness at position. Makes plays on the ball, very athletic, picks up new pieces of the game in stride, development potential

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted
16 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Jourdan Rodrigue
@JourdanRodrigue
Stantley Thomas Oliver, FIU cornerback, had a video call with Panthers per a source. Couple notables here: 
- The Panthers could (probably should) bookend the earlier and later rounds of the draft w corners.
- STO ran a 4.48 and is a WR-CB convert with good development potential.

We might be witnessing some strengths-based leadership.  Rhule is doing his thing--he is rummaging--we are going to have 3-4 undrafted free agents make this roster.  You watch.  Rhule was able to build 2 winning, competitive franchises in 2 years when some franchises suck and have always sucked. 

I am guessing he is looking for depth at CB that can compete.   Oliver was a WR as a freshman, switched to CB.  Had some success.  good tackler.  pick vs Miami....

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheSpecialJuan Grand Master

TheSpecialJuan

Posted
Posted

Isaiah Simmons, LB, Jr., 21, Clemson (6-4, 238)

When last season ended, I thought Simmons was going to be the Giants’ pick. And he still might be, especially after his blazing 4.39 40-yard dash at his size. They’re definitely showing interest.

Cosell makes no bones about it: he says if he were Gettleman, “I would take Simmons, because I think he’s a freak. There are not going to be many Isaiah Simmons’ in many drafts.”

Cosell believes Simmons transitions best “as a safety who can be highly effective playing near the box for a foundational single-high defense,” though that is Jabrill Peppers’ role in New York, so drafting Simmons would seem to call Peppers’ role into question.

Jeremiah rates Simmons as his No. 3 overall prospect behind only LSU QB Joe Burrow and the Ohio State edge Young, calling Simmons a “versatile, defensive chess piece.”

There is a thought around the league that teams, the Giants included, might be more comfortable using a top five pick on a player with a more defined role and position — and that Simmons needs to play for a coaching staff that knows how to use him.

Cosell counters by saying defenses now play 60-85% of their snaps in sub packages, and Simmons is “the ultimate sub-package defender.” In 2019 for Clemson he racked up 102 tackles, 16 for loss, eight sacks, three interceptions and nine pass breakups in 15 starts.

“Simmons is at his best as a space and movement player,” Cosell said. “He’s an athletic run-and-chase player, not a confined space box player. (In other words), you want to get him away from the bodies, not align him where the bodies are.”

Pauline has reservations about the certainty of Simmons as a top-five pick, though, even as a draft analyst who had Simmons graded as a second-round pick back in his redshirt freshman season and agreed he’s an “amazing athlete.”

“Isaiah Simmons is a dangerous pick if you don’t have a designated position for him or scheme for him,” Pauline said. “I think he’s like Jabrill Peppers: you’re gonna have to develop an uncommon position for him. He’s sort of like a linebacker in a safety’s body. Amazing athlete. But even if he’s valuable in a sub package, you’re talking about a top-five pick. You want him to be explosive and impactful no matter what your defense is in.”

Couple that with Gettleman already letting a dynamic safety/linebacker walk out of the building in Landon Collins, and there is an easy argument to be made that Simmons is a great player but not the logical pick for this conservative franchise.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-draft-pick-20200411-otnqebaeb5h3nbyslvkt257x2e-story.html

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-draft-pick-20200411-otnqebaeb5h3nbyslvkt257x2e-story.html

NY Daily News believes Georgia OT Andrew Thomas might be the pick @4. It's looking like Isaiah Simmons will be there for us at #7

Last year, Jones fumbled a lot by being blind sided by an edge rusher.  Jones was a very controversial pick and Gettlemen's job is on the line.  While Simmons has all the bells and whistles, Gettlemen has to go OT---LT.  Thomas is the best (arguably) true LT.  Thanks for finding this stuff.

He has to know that he can trade back and get Thomas.

I have been saying Simmons for 2 months--called it back in January--but I am not sure that is what i want.  However, that is probably because i am not a defensive coordinator.  Still, I want Wills-but I know that may not happen.  Would I be happy with Simmons?  YES. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Last year, Jones fumbled a lot by being blind sided by an edge rusher.  Jones was a very controversial pick and Gettlemen's job is on the line.  While Simmons has all the bells and whistles, Gettlemen has to go OT---LT.  Thomas is the best (arguably) true LT.  Thanks for finding this stuff.

He has to know that he can trade back and get Thomas.

I have been saying Simmons for 2 months--called it back in January--but I am not sure that is what i want.  However, that is probably because i am not a defensive coordinator.  Still, I want Wills-but I know that may not happen.  Would I be happy with Simmons?  YES. 

 

Thomas is the ultimate plug and play 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thomas is the ultimate plug and play 

He sure is--a day 1 starter.  May not have the upside, but he has the experience and consistency.  Wills is too--at RT, and maybe the same for Wirf--both have LT ability, but it would take some time they may not have.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...