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Another year, another draft thread.

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Waldo Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Jared Patterson said:

Verge: Are you really hearing we are that high on Alton Robinson........ that would be a horrible second round pick

It makes too much sense unfortunately. Another draft that only builds more reasons to hire better people.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I've only watched Syracuse play a couple of times in recent years so I can't talk specifics, but he definitely had a down year this past season. 

If you thought Grant Delpits play fell off this year.  Dont watch Robinson's

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52 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I haven't seen much disrespect, I have seen, and it is my stance, not wanting to go DT in the top 10...would much prefer more coveted positions such as OT, WO, DE, CB, or QB.

Although I don't want a QB this year.

Seeing our run defense last year should change what ppl should coveted..  Watching snap by snap comparison should clear what you think about how important a DT at his level is to a team... 

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56 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

From what everyone seems to be hearing it seems like we’re going to really reach for needs and pass on BPA

On the plus side it sounds like minus the Teddy signing we’re staying the course for Lawrence 

Yep. Another sucky draft. We’ll go interior OL and ignore WR/T seeing as how we could have gotten stud interior OLs the last two years and stud WRs and Ts this year.

True that if we do draft on need again, it will hopefully get us a better GM and Lawrence.

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1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Seeing our run defense last year should change what ppl should coveted..  Watching snap by snap comparison should clear what you think about how important a DT at his level is to a team... 

I know how important the position is to this team, and I don't care.

In the top ten, you should take the highest value that you possibly can, QB, WO, OT, DE.  Those are the hardest positions to fill in the NFL.  TE, DT, LB (non rushing), C, G, S.....those positions do not supply the same value.

Plus, I'm not big on drafting for need, especially in the top half of the draft, you go with the best available player, that isn't a strength of your team, while maximizing value.

Tell me, how many teams have drafted DT's in the top 10 over the past 5 years?

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32 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I know how important the position is to this team, and I don't care.

In the top ten, you should take the highest value that you possibly can, QB, WO, OT, DE.  Those are the hardest positions to fill in the NFL.  TE, DT, LB (non rushing), C, G, S.....those positions do not supply the same value.

Plus, I'm not big on drafting for need, especially in the top half of the draft, you go with the best available player, that isn't a strength of your team, while maximizing value.

Tell me, how many teams have drafted DT's in the top 10 over the past 5 years?

When did WR become higher value then DT??

Tier 1 QB, LT, Edge rushers 

Tier 2 CB, DT, WR

Tier 3  S, TE, LB, OG

Tier 4  K, P FB

It's not just the need we're talking about a top 5 talent so need fits player ranking and position value in  Brown..

Also let's not talk about building from inside out and not valuing building from inside to out.. That's speaking out of both sides of your mouth..

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10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

That is a damn good draft.  Glad you understand how good Vildor will be-- a sixth round steal.  I like the versatility of Daryl Williams II--your fifth round is very solid. Hennessy might go higher-I have a third round value on him, but he could fall.  The C spot is pretty unloved right now--but it is deep. Arnette is going to have to start, but with Simmons, we can do a lot to take pressure off him (that sounds odd, but not really).  Finally, Blacklock is a DT with early second round talent and he will fit behind KK in the rotation.  Not sure about Roy--need to peek.

To me, Simmons or Brown is the first round pick.  Do not be surprised to see CB in the second round.   There are several day 2 CBs I like.  I think, since we have KK and Kerr, we could add DT later, unless we take Brown.

THe problem with taking Brown in the first---if you base it solely on need---is we have KK Short at that spot.  He would see the field about 40% of the time---or less.  Simmons would never leave the field.

Thanks, Ive got most of it figured out(except for CBs). Vildor is a guy I love and I mainly target 2 CBs(early 1 and late 1) in my mocks. I learned if you dont draft Okudah, you better draft a CB in round #2. Panthers need a starting level prospect and you must spend some primo draft capital for that.  Got lucky with this one with Arnette being in the 3rd. Daryl Williams is another one of my targets- he can play OG/C and could start this year at LG or next year at C. Same gos for Hennessy, I agree hes a 3rd grade but C is a weird spot come draft day. They always fall and I can not remember any C being a top 10 pick, even though its super important.

My mock draft are drafting for 2021 too. Its a unique blend of now, future, my likes, what the team likes/wants, combine winners, needs, talent. etc. I got Blacklock as 1st rounder in 20s, if hes there at 38, I can not pass. KK does not factor in my drafting, sort-a of surprised hes still here.  Roy has three things going for him- maybe strongest draft player, Baylor, and DL.(Bonus he moves well for a NT type).

Im off the Brown train.  For as great as his tape is and its the best, that combine is NOT a top 7 pick one. Simmons is my 100% want, followed by Okungah. I just dont like spending my 1st on a CB or LB for that matter. Still better than a DT with an undrafted combine profile. Others mock draft stuff- I focus on 2 CBs, 2 DTs, 2 OL, then 2 wildcards form TE, WR, Safety, Edge, LB. Value drives this and mainly the whole draft. OL is at its best in rounds 4-5. DL is best 2-4. WR I try for him be a kick returner or tall outside type, never spend a pick here before round 3. 

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3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

When did WR become higher value then DT??

Tier 1 QB, LT, Edge rushers 

Tier 2 CB, DT, WR

Tier 3  S, TE, LB, OG

Tier 4  K, P FB

It's not just the need we're talking about a top 5 talent so need fits player ranking and position value in  Brown..

Also let's not talk about building from inside out and not valuing building from inside to out.. That's speaking out of both sides of your mouth..

I think QB is in a tier of it's own. Every other position starts at tier 2 and there's a pretty wide gap between the QB tier and tier 2.

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