Offense Wins Championships

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

You do realize that the Chiefs Defense shut down the 49ers when it mattered. 

Doesn’t fit his narrative.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

uh actually sweaty Matt Moore at backup QB wins championships

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

You do realize that the Chiefs Defense shut down the 49ers when it mattered. 

Yep and that NE’s D won last year where Goff had all kinds of weapons and Denver’s D won Peyton a ring. Offense wins until it doesn’t. So stupid these reactionary threads especially when there was an opposite one going until the last 7 minutes.

[TheRumGone]

9 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

More than one way to skin a cat

 

Wilson

Peyton

Brady

all won superbowls with very minimal contributions. Look at Big Bens stats in Super Bowl XL

I agree hence my “multiple ways to win the Super Bowl” We’re talking about recent super bowls in regards to Big Ben.

wilson Payton and Brady are all franchise qbs that led them to the superbowl. I know Payton struggled his last year because of age but his mind allowed that team on offense to succeed when he could barely throw. 
 

Not saying defense doesn’t matter as I alluded to in my post. Those two qbs defense outside of Brady’s were top 4 historically good. Legion of boom, they talk like the best ever outside of the 85 bears. Same with Denver. That’s rare. 
 

You need a good mix of skill players and lineman. I am a firm believer that you need the trenches built up to allow your skill players on offense and defense to really shine. Chiefs and 9ers did that this year. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Playing against Kyle Shanahan in the Superbowl, and having him forget the run while letting the opposing team score 21+ unanswered...

 

Wins Championships.

[DeAngelo Beason]

It helps to have Andy Reid, probably the greatest offensive mind in NFL History, as your head coach.  

 

[lightsout]

The 9ers managed to do something that made no sense in any way to lose the game themselves.

You're getting the ball with nearly 2 full minutes before half with all your timeouts to put yourself in a position to kick a field goal at least...you show you have no faith in your QB to help lead that drive. He wouldn't have to do anything different than he had been doing because your run game is working well. Give him time, you can run the ball and run your offense. He just has to hit the easy throws off play action once, MAYBE twice and boom, you're in FG range without much issue (based on how your offense has worked at that point). So you get no points there, you take the ball out of Jimmy G's hands entirely, and you almost HAVE to run out the half, so of course KC is selling out on the run and stop it.

Then, you have a lead late...you put the ball in Jimmy G's hands. Make no mistake, the Chiefs didn't clamp down on the run and force the pass. The 9ers were just trying to play chess when playing checkers was working just fine. Every run won't work in the NFL, but you can chew clock and be within your identity here and win this game. Instead, you start throwing. It bit you.

Why NOT trust Jimmy G at the end of the first half to get a potential two score swing after you get the ball to open the second half, but then trust Jimmy G in the fourth quarter with a tenuous lead? It makes no sense. Shanahan just lost his mind. I know several coaches at various levels. Literally ALL of them were wondering this very thing.

The 9ers were built to win this game with strong D and running the ball down your throat, and instead they thought they'd be in a passing contest with KC and played out of character because of it.

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, lightsout said:

The 9ers managed to do something that made no sense in any way to lose the game themselves.

You're getting the ball with nearly 2 full minutes before half with all your timeouts to put yourself in a position to kick a field goal at least...you show you have no faith in your QB to help lead that drive. He wouldn't have to do anything different than he had been doing because your run game is working well. Give him time, you can run the ball and run your offense. He just has to hit the easy throws off play action once, MAYBE twice and boom, you're in FG range without much issue (based on how your offense has worked at that point). So you get no points there, you take the ball out of Jimmy G's hands entirely, and you almost HAVE to run out the half, so of course KC is selling out on the run and stop it.

Then, you have a lead late...you put the ball in Jimmy G's hands. Make no mistake, the Chiefs didn't clamp down on the run and force the pass. The 9ers were just trying to play chess when playing checkers was working just fine. Every run won't work in the NFL, but you can chew clock and be within your identity here and win this game. Instead, you start throwing. It bit you.

Why NOT trust Jimmy G at the end of the first half to get a potential two score swing after you get the ball to open the second half, but then trust Jimmy G in the fourth quarter with a tenuous lead? It makes no sense. Shanahan just lost his mind. I know several coaches at various levels. Literally ALL of them were wondering this very thing.

The 9ers were built to win this game with strong D and running the ball down your throat, and instead they thought they'd be in a passing contest with KC and played out of character because of it.

That before the half drive was all Ron Rivera. Go in tied since you get the ball to start the half is 100% Ron. I’m shocked that Shanahan employed that. BB and Brady would be thinking we can turn this into a two score game before the other team gets the ball back.

[theDIRTYcode2]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Don't tell Kyle Shanahan that. He thought letting Matt Ryan and Jimmy G playing the hero role down the streetch eas a Lombardi winning formula.

70

98

71.4

32.7

1,014

10.3

338.0

9

0

37

58

63.8

19.3

427

7.4

142.3

2

3

One of these things does not belong with the other. The more accurate statement is KS has no fuging clue when to run the ball.

 

 

[tiger7_88]

18 minutes ago, stbugs said:

That before the half drive was all Ron Rivera. Go in tied since you get the ball to start the half is 100% Ron. I’m shocked that Shanahan employed that. BB and Brady would be thinking we can turn this into a two score game before the other team gets the ball back.

The telecast showed the Niners GM, Lynch, making the time-out signal at that point and then looking puzzled when Shanahan allowed the clock to continue running.

Dear Coaches That Think Like Ron Rivera:

TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN TO SCORE POINTS.  THE TEAM WITH MORE POINTS WHEN THE CLOCK TURNS 0:00 WINS THE DAMN GAME.

[bigdavis]

12 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Some of the play designs in that game... 

Just... brilliant and stunning.

Beats the hell out of run-run-screen or run-run-bomb.

You're forgetting the 4th play in those sequences:

Punt.

"never a bad play."

[JARROD]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Yep and that NE’s D won last year where Goff had all kinds of weapons and Denver’s D won Peyton a ring. Offense wins until it doesn’t. So stupid these reactionary threads especially when there was an opposite one going until the last 7 minutes.

They were also playing with a 12th man for the Chiefs.....

Kyle Shannahan

[Sgt Schultz]

The Niners ran the ball very well, with a couple of exceptions, and did some creative things to run the ball, even if they appeared statistically as passes.  They didn't do any of that in the last two minutes of the first half and did next to none as Big Ben ticked down in the fourth quarter.

After KC cut the lead to 24-20, they ran the ball for 5 yards on first down.  Then they decided it was a good idea to start throwing on every down.  Keep in mind, Jimmy G was 18 of 21 going into the fourth quarter curiosity, and he got there by picking their opportunities, not spearheading drives through the air. 

In Shanahan's production "Meltdown I," the Falcons saw a 28-3 lead cut to 28-20 with no indication their defense was going to get back to its feet.  They responded by completing a borderline hail Mary to set up first and ten at the Pats 22. After getting stuffed on first down for a 1-yard loss, and as the clock ticked under 4 minutes, Shanahan decided it was more brilliant to go for kill rather than work on New England time outs or nurse the ball toward another FD, already in very makeable FG range which would have made it a two possession game again.  Kinda important with a defense that has faded into oblivion.  A holding penalty on the first shot and then a sack turned the makeable FG into a punt, and the rest is history.

Reminiscent of Darrell Bevell, with the Seahawks perched on the Pats 1-yard line, the Pats only marginally better at slowing the run than the Chiefs were yesterday, 30-seconds left, one time out, and deciding that he wanted to 1) have three more cracks at it (it was second and goal), 2) leave Tom Brady no time at all, and 3) concerned NE would be in a goal line defense and stack the middle, he called an INSIDE pass (yes, inside route, right into the mass of the defenders he said he was concerned about).  Let's just say Bevell outsmarted himself (and then blamed everybody but himself afterwards).

All of this leads to a caution for those wanting offenses to lead the way: some offensive "geniuses" are actually mad scientists.  They are easily distracted from the primary goal (Regaining a two score lead for the Falcons, actually scoring the winning TD for the Seahawks, keeping Mahomes off the field down the stretch yesterday) and become fixated on "aesthetics."  Wins are wins, whether they are pretty, ugly or anywhere in between.  TDs all count for six points, whether a running back pounds the ball into the pile and comes out the other side or it is a "gorgeous" pass play that was well executed.  When you have a good, but not great QB, who is putting up Joe Montana Super Bowl numbers through picking the opportunities, he is not likely to continue to put up those numbers when you decide to make him the focal point during a crucial time.

 

 

[stbugs]

4 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

  Keep in mind, Jimmy G was 18 of 21 going into the fourth quarter curiosity, and he got there by picking their opportunities, not spearheading drives through the air. 

He had decent stats at that point but you never felt like he was doing anything great. He’s a mediocre QB who uses 8 men in the box to stop the run to have wide open PA fakes. Even at the end they were saying good things and Kittle had to make an amazing sliding catch when no one was near him. Any time there was pressure or he had to make a decision on who to throw to, it was usually a bad pass. When KC was selling out to stop the run, it was damn easy and even then you never looked at him as a top QB.