Capologist report

[Raleigh PF]

3 minutes ago, Raleigh PF said:

I'm quoting, as I've read the same thing. The team will not be allowed to spread the cap hit into next year because the CBA is expiring this year. It all hits now.

That being the case, IF the team decides to re-sign Bradberry and Boston, our capologist is going to have his work cut out for him.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Raleigh PF said:

That being the case, IF the team decides to re-sign Bradberry and Boston, our capologist is going to have his work cut out for him.

Why is that?  Isnt it better for the long term?  Get the hit out of the way now. 

[Raleigh PF]

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why is that?  Isnt it better for the long term?  Get the hit out of the way now. 

Not if they don't have the cap room. If they have 38M and Bradberry takes 14M+ from it?

[bobcat91]

Ruhle got a 6 year contract for a reason. We are in complete rebuild mode and most of it will be through the draft, not FA. Just like the Steelers do. Hate to say it, but we are going to suck for several years. Cam will get killed behind that line if he stays. I'd rather get draft picks for Cam and quit trying to patch a severely talent poor team. 3 to 4 years from now, we can compete for Championships if we do it right.

[Carolina Cajun]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Kalil/Luke killed our dead cap.  Olsen's doesn't help but his number isn't nearly as dire.

 it's amazing to me that there isn't some kind of loophole to help teams when a player retires early. I'm not saying the player shouldn't get paid, but I don't think it should hurt the team's cap like it currently does.

[uncfan888]

1 hour ago, jbland said:

That’s a fact but I doubt Cam would be so public about him playing for the panthers if there were a chance we trade him this year. 

That guy clearly doesn't want cam to be here

[Captain Morgan]

Cap space right now isn't a big deal.  Rebuilding teams don't go out and sign big money players.  Reloading teams do, but that's not us.

Take the cap hits now and be ready for a ton of cap space next year, which we'll need.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Carolina Cajun said:

 it's amazing to me that there isn't some kind of loophole to help teams when a player retires early. I'm not saying the player shouldn't get paid, but I don't think it should hurt the team's cap like it currently does.

I see where you're coming from, but it's actually not unfair. The signing bonus has to be accounted for as part of the team's cap hit. Because players want as much pay upfront as possible because the risk of injury makes everything in the future uncertain, the NFL allows teams to prorate the signing bonus over several years. If the player doesn't actually play all of those years, then that cap hit still has to be accounted for. I suppose the rules could be altered to create flexibility with how that's done, like saying allowing for proration even if they player retires, but that could open up a can of worms in terms of teams getting cute. 

*shrugs*

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, bobcat91 said:

Ruhle got a 6 year contract for a reason. We are in complete rebuild mode and most of it will be through the draft, not FA. Just like the Steelers do. Hate to say it, but we are going to suck for several years. Cam will get killed behind that line if he stays. I'd rather get draft picks for Cam and quit trying to patch a severely talent poor team. 3 to 4 years from now, we can compete for Championships if we do it right.

7 years

[Call Me James]

The cap is an issue, but honestly we just need to hit in the draft. 

[raleigh-panther]

Bradberry. Gotta be honest, he strikes me as an average cornerback. ...I just don’t see him being worth a huge contract

...then again, Shaw struck me as a  very average linebacker that always  missed a tackle or got run over 

we overpaid for Tnompson and will probably franchise Bradberry  cha Ching 

Point being, I’d almost rather we become the Pats in our approach and unless they are not a blue chip player, no big contract and cut that blue chip player at peak vs two years past peak but now tied to a huge salary   Only way to sustain vs continuous rebuilds in the salary cap era 

[GRWatcher]

41 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I see where you're coming from, but it's actually not unfair. The signing bonus has to be accounted for as part of the team's cap hit. Because players want as much pay upfront as possible because the risk of injury makes everything in the future uncertain, the NFL allows teams to prorate the signing bonus over several years. If the player doesn't actually play all of those years, then that cap hit still has to be accounted for. I suppose the rules could be altered to create flexibility with how that's done, like saying allowing for proration even if they player retires, but that could open up a can of worms in terms of teams getting cute. 

*shrugs*

Dead cap money is money that was guaranteed and the player is no longer with the team whatever the reason. They are owed that money because that is the contract they and the team signed. The positive for the player is that they get guaranteed money for restructuring; the downside is that it pushes payment back. The positive for the team is that is opens up the cap; the downside is that it can create a dead cap hit if they leave early. That's the one thing I respect Gettleman for, he never restructured contracts. Restructuring contracts is Hurney's MO and one reason he got us in cap hell before: sign big, restructure later. Kalil and Luke both have large dead cap hits because Hurney restructured their contracts handing out large restructuring bonuses (turning base salary into guaranteed bonuses), to open up cap money at that moment. He's also restructured KK and Trai so there's the potential for dead cap hits there. And I see a restructure in Shaq Thompson's future.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

And that's the big reason I don't like Hurney as our GM. 

 

 

[stirs]

Generally you get relief if a guy retires, but once Hurney does his thing with restructures, you get screwed.  Live for today......

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Dead cap money is money that was guaranteed and the player is no longer with the team whatever the reason. They are owed that money because that is the contract they and the team signed. The positive for the player is that they get guaranteed money for restructuring; the downside is that it pushes payment back. The positive for the team is that is opens up the cap; the downside is that it can create a dead cap hit if they leave early. That's the one thing I respect Gettleman for, he never restructured contracts. Restructuring contracts is Hurney's MO and one reason he got us in cap hell before: sign big, restructure later. Kalil and Luke both have large dead cap hits because Hurney restructured their contracts handing out large restructuring bonuses (turning base salary into guaranteed bonuses), to open up cap money at that moment. He's also restructured KK and Trai so there's the potential for dead cap hits there. And I see a restructure in Shaq Thompson's future.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

And that's the big reason I don't like Hurney as our GM. 

 

 

This makes me think you have a firmer grasp of cap management than I do. My response was based on the assumption that most dead cap money comes from prorated signing bonuses, which are some of the only guaranteed money players typically get, or at least the biggest chunks. Are there other significant forms of guaranteed money that get prorated as well that I'm overlooking? I'm including in that statement money that becomes guaranteed with a restructure because my understanding is it typically is converted into signing bonus on the restructured deal. Am I in error in that understanding or are we saying similar things with different words?