WRs in this draft are DEEP

[Mr Mojo Risin]

13 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Hindsight 20/20 again. 

Let's all be real for once..

Everybody loved the Jarret pick when it was made.. Even more than Kalil..

Brown led the nation in sacks his Senior year out FSU and we just lost Pep.. Nobody had a problem with this pick when made. 

Clausen was seen as a steal, Hogan was hyped up as a return specialist and Kony was dam near a superbowl MVP and considered a steal when we got him. 

Edward's, fua, and McClain were bad picks..

Well of course but how else are you supposed to grade drafts? Now will I say all of those picks failing were 100% Hurneys fault? No of course not it's mostly sarcasm a lot of those guys were put into some bad situations, some just had really shitty work ethics/couldnt stay healthy, and there are others that you pointed out that were just bad picks and that is also true.

The thing with Marty is he has a bad habit of selling out for development projects that never seem to develop...hopefully with Rhule that changes.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I cannot find one site that does not have some players way too high or too low, based on my perception.  The WR list is a bit off, in my opinion, but was used for a demonstration more than a blueprint.  I chose it because it ranked WRs by giving them a score based on an analysis of performance--a rubric.  However, that does not make it better or more accurate than others.  I actually wanted to kick about 4 with second round grades out and add about 6.

Individual teams are going to vary greatly to random generic big boards also simply due to scheme fit. Random big boards are basically just trying to evaluate overall talent level. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Raskle said:

fair enough bud. Didn't mean anything with my comment other than to let folks know it was a variance to the norm. Can definitely appreciate the rubric being used to at least back their opinion, even if I find it a bit odd on their rankings.

Did not take it that way--you had a valid point.  I agree with your premise--heck, every year, my mental "Big Board" is shot to pieces when the actual draft rolls around.  I think we are probably more accurate now than we will be in April, after we have over-analyzed every player.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ealy really disappoints me. That guy showed in SB50 that he could've been a STUD if he just wanted it. His teammates pretty much said the same all along. Von Miller's performance overshadowed his because they got the W, but Ealy was every bit as dominant for us.

I 100% agree it was really sad how his career turned out in the NFL I was really rooting for him, ya know with his personal life and all. Hopefully he can carve out a decent career in that new XFL League hes playing in

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr Mojo Risin said:

I 100% agree it was really sad how his career turned out in the NFL I was really rooting for him, ya know with his personal life and all. Hopefully he can carve out a decent career in that new XFL League hes playing in

I don't feel sorry for the guys who have the talent and just don't put it to use. I feel sorry for all of those guys who came to camp and bust their asses and just don't have the prerequisite talent to make it.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't feel sorry for the guys who have the talent and just don't put it to use. I feel sorry for all of those guys who came to camp and bust their asses and just don't have the prerequisite talent to make it.

He was given every opportunity. He definitely wasted that opportunity and I guess that was the saddest part to see. Some guys just dont want it bad enough. They get a little money and start to get lazy. It's like the drive that got them to where they are all but disappears

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

He was given every opportunity. He definitely wasted that opportunity and I guess that was the saddest part to see. Some guys just dont want it bad enough. They get a little money and start to get lazy. It's like the drive that got them to where they are all but disappears

I mean, I can't be surprised. He didn't do a whole lot in college either and let a guy in Michael Sam with nowhere near his talent level completely overshadow him. He got drafted on raw talent. We found out the hard way why that raw talent never really shined on the field.

[WOW!!]

12 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Well of course but how else are you supposed to grade drafts? Now will I say all of those picks failing were 100% Hurneys fault? No of course not it's mostly sarcasm a lot of those guys were put into some bad situations, some just had really shitty work ethics/couldnt stay healthy, and there are others that you pointed out that were just bad picks and that is also true.

The thing with Marty is he has a bad habit of selling out for development projects that never seem to develop...hopefully with Rhule that changes.

I'm just saying let's be realistic with ourselves.. 

Or add context to our criticism...

I can't poo on the Jarret pick  and call it a mistake and Hurney is dumb.. If I liked the pick and thought it was a steal and could rationalize why the pick was made and vice-versa...

Example .. I hated the Luke pick when it was made.. No way in hell can I act like I knew it was the right or easy choice  7 pro bowl years later... Right??

[Matt62881]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Thanks--pie for the detailed response.

I have said that it is too early to give up on Little.   It is.  However, if he does not pan out--or gets another concussion--we could be in trouble.  I have almost convinced myself that if Thomas is there, you take him and move Little to G--it could be good for his health.  Having said that, there are dozens of scenarios--and Thomas (any T) is developmental as a rookie.  So if Brown and Thomas are there, I take Thomas--LTs are so hard to find, and although DB is a stud, we can find DTs easier than LTs.  But Brown can move around the front and play every position--that is rare too---and we have nothing at DT--at least we have Little at LT......Ultimately, I look at it this way---If I am wrong about Little and he cannot play LT, then he could get my QB hurt.  So by a hair, I take the T.  But that is just me on Feb 1...

The reason I am promoting WR is because it just looks as though there will be steals in the third round---based on needs, there is no way we meet our most pressing needs (OL, DL) by taking a WR or CB in the first 2 rounds.  When I see 12 WRs who should be first or second rounders in any other draft, I have to think one or two drop and the value is too good to pass up.

For LT I have to wait for the combine because I want one that can stop speed rushers so hes got to be really athletic. That is the reason I lean toward Brown at the moment because he is easier to judge by the eye. As far as WR I agree because after the 2nd round I like pure BPA because I want guys that are useful right away.

[CatTower]

If there are a lot of high grade WRs, we need to worry about upgrading our secondary.  

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, CatTower said:

If there are a lot of high grade WRs, we need to worry about upgrading our secondary.  

I don't think our secondary would be half bad if we could actually stop teams from running it down our throats.. We need to improve our front 7 and resign our secondary... but that's  just my opinion..

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I don't think our secondary would be half bad if we could actually stop teams from running it down our throats.. We need to improve our front 7 and resign our secondary... but that's  just my opinion..

Gonna have to get this Bradberry situation figured out.

I'm curious to see Jackson under the new staff. It really seemed like he just checked out this season. Honestly, it felt that way about most of the team.

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Gonna have to get this Bradberry situation figured out.

I'm curious to see Jackson under the new staff. It really seemed like he just checked out this season. Honestly, it felt that way about most of the team.

I  think  Jackson playing on the outside is out of position.. I think he is better in the slot.. I think the bigger physical WR give him a problem 1on 1 and he can handle things better in tighter confinement like the slot position  ..jmo

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, WOW!! said:

I  think  Jackson playing on the outside is out of position.. I think he is better in the slot.. I think the bigger physical WR give him a problem 1on 1 and he can handle things better in tighter confinement like the slot position  ..jmo

Possibly. His tackling concerns me at nickel though. I just think we need to be smarter about our matchups on the outside. Allow Jackson to travel with the speedier receiver and allow Bradberry to travel with the more physical receiver. We started doing that some last year. I think we need to make it a staple though.