WRs in this draft are DEEP

[Panthera onca]

Johnson in the third would be felony grand theft. I would love that.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Johnson in the third would be felony grand theft. I would love that.

I think the depth of talent in this draft will send us a player like him in the third.  Johnson is one of my favorite players in the draft---if he is the 11th ranked WR, he could be the steal of the draft.  (I have him ranked higher than about 4 of the names above him, however, fwiw.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

If we go OL first I'd be happy with one of these guys in the 2nd/3rd. If we go DL first then hopefully OL in the 2nd then WR in the 3rd would be good too. Thinking we will need to draft a DB within the first 3 picks if we dont resign Bradberry though

[Shocker]

Jalen Reagor is one of my favorite dudes in this draft.  So explosive and can return too.  I think he will end up in round 1.  Big time talent.  He probably blows up the combine.  

[Matt62881]

37 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have links to back this up, but I will use this one to establish an anchor--I have read so many varying opinions, but all say the WR class is sick.  https://sportstalkline.com/sports/243077/2020-nfl-draft-big-board.html/

Go to "2020 NFL Draft Big Board: Offense" and click "WR" ---

Here, the players are given a grade that aligns their scores to an NFL round equivalent.  While all of these are subjective and debatable, see the big picture.  These ratings are comparable to what many other sites are saying.

Some General Observations:

10 WRs have first round grades (3 from Alabama).

16 WRs have second/third round grades.

Many sources are calling this the best WR class ever.  For example, when the Panthers drafted Moore, he and Ridley were the only two first rounders. If you put them on this rating scale,  they would probably fall in the 7-9 range.

With the WR pool being so deep, teams will go after other needs until a run on WRs takes hold.  It is very likely that a quality WR will be there in the third round.   I see six WRs going in the first round.  If so, I anticipate fewer (3-4) would go in the second round. 

There are 3 WRs I have on my radar for the 3rd round: Bryan Edwards (SC), Kendrick Rogers (TexAM), and Tyler Johnson (Minn).  All are over 6 feet tall, all come from programs that did not feature productive offenses.  (Edwards was on a bad team with a bad QB, but he has 4 solid years of production; Mond at TexAM was disappointing; Tanner Morgan was sacked 30 times due to poor protection but Johnson still managed 1300 yards and 13 TDs).

So why go WR in the third round with so many other needs?  I think we are fooling ourselves if we do not consider WR a need.  Samuel was a bit underwhelming as a #2 this season; I think he needs to be in the slot.  He is a bit fragile too.  Moore is a #1, and a taller talent like the three I mentioned would be nice fits.  They all have 2nd round grades, making them good values.  Consider that one of these three players (ranked 11-13 on this site) is likely to be there in the third round, after we have selected an OL in the first or second, gives us two players that can step in immediately and make an immediate impact.  I think we can get a legit #2 WR in the third round.  The depth of the draft at WR and the fact that these players were hidden in bad offenses.  (I also think Lynn Bowden, KY is a sleeper that could be there in round 4).

I get it that there are several others who might be fits as well, but the WR class is going to strong.  Cam will need an OL and weapons.  Imagine 2 solid, young WRs (Moore and  Tyler Johnson) with Samuel in the slot and CMC in the backfield behind an OL led by LT Thomas (rookie UGA), LG Little, C Paradis or free agent, RG Turner, RT Moton.  2 picks, we get better at 4 positions (LT, LG, WR2, Slot WR).  If we could do that with a first and third rounder, we could use the rest of the draft on D.

I hope you enjoy. 

 

 

Pie for good thoughts, well done. The way I see it in your scenerio is

 1. D. Brown- the only dlineman in the draft I think can single handedly fix our interior run D wich will allow shaq to handle off tackle and stretch plays.

2. Tyler Biadasz- I believe he is the best center in the draft and will just barely make it to our second pick. 

3. WR- imo Curtis would have had a better season if a few of those deep balls had been on point. Curtis plays the Z position perfectly as he can take the top off a defense from the outside keeping them honest (out of single high). He also made some impressive contested TDs . If you want a wr here he needs to be a guy that is still a deep threat with pure speed or a guy that can switch in and out of the slot no problem. Even the thought of Curtis being outside should keep them out of single high with Cam delivering these ball. A big guy that could play the slot would be a mismatch as well and having Curtis coming into the slot sometimes will throw the defense even further off.

4. Maybe a guard? They fall in drafts all the time.

[run-run-pass-punt]

All the more reason - as if it was needed - to ignore the position early.

[Captain Morgan]

We need WR3.  Or someone to make Curtis our WR3.  This draft lines up perfectly for the Panthers to get excellent value in the 3rd or 4th.

Remember, our new OC likes to give his QB 4-5 options on each play, and we don't have that right now.  We'll be taking one, it just depends in what round.  Might take a TE laters as well, but this is not a good year for TEs.

[Captain Morgan]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I have links to back this up, but I will use this one to establish an anchor--I have read so many varying opinions, but all say the WR class is sick.  https://sportstalkline.com/sports/243077/2020-nfl-draft-big-board.html/

 

 

also, thanks for that link, I love it.   

Also should add that we a need another WR way more than people think.  Suppose DJ or Curtis gets a Kelvin like injury.  We are doomed.

We'll be getting at least one in the draft, and at least one in free agency.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

If we go OL first I'd be happy with one of these guys in the 2nd/3rd. If we go DL first then hopefully OL in the 2nd then WR in the 3rd would be good too. Thinking we will need to draft a DB within the first 3 picks if we dont resign Bradberry though

Exactly--assuming there is no free agent signing that changes this--we almost have to go OL/DL.  After round 2, the most successful drafts grab the best player.  This draft is shaped to have a third round where the WRs trickle down---

Bradberry signing is going to be  a factor as well.  However, if we do not sign him, we will likely add a free agent? 

[WOW!!]

This is a deep class and why I wouldn't go WR early..

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

Pie for good thoughts, well done. The way I see it in your scenerio is

 1. D. Brown- the only dlineman in the draft I think can single handedly fix our interior run D wich will allow shaq to handle off tackle and stretch plays.

2. Tyler Biadasz- I believe he is the best center in the draft and will just barely make it to our second pick. 

3. WR- imo Curtis would have had a better season if a few of those deep balls had been on point. Curtis plays the Z position perfectly as he can take the top off a defense from the outside keeping them honest (out of single high). He also made some impressive contested TDs . If you want a wr here he needs to be a guy that is still a deep threat with pure speed or a guy that can switch in and out of the slot no problem. Even the thought of Curtis being outside should keep them out of single high with Cam delivering these ball. A big guy that could play the slot would be a mismatch as well and having Curtis coming into the slot sometimes will throw the defense even further off.

4. Maybe a guard? They fall in drafts all the time.

Thanks--pie for the detailed response.

I have said that it is too early to give up on Little.   It is.  However, if he does not pan out--or gets another concussion--we could be in trouble.  I have almost convinced myself that if Thomas is there, you take him and move Little to G--it could be good for his health.  Having said that, there are dozens of scenarios--and Thomas (any T) is developmental as a rookie.  So if Brown and Thomas are there, I take Thomas--LTs are so hard to find, and although DB is a stud, we can find DTs easier than LTs.  But Brown can move around the front and play every position--that is rare too---and we have nothing at DT--at least we have Little at LT......Ultimately, I look at it this way---If I am wrong about Little and he cannot play LT, then he could get my QB hurt.  So by a hair, I take the T.  But that is just me on Feb 1...

The reason I am promoting WR is because it just looks as though there will be steals in the third round---based on needs, there is no way we meet our most pressing needs (OL, DL) by taking a WR or CB in the first 2 rounds.  When I see 12 WRs who should be first or second rounders in any other draft, I have to think one or two drop and the value is too good to pass up.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Shocker said:

Jalen Reagor is one of my favorite dudes in this draft.  So explosive and can return too.  I think he will end up in round 1.  Big time talent.  He probably blows up the combine.  

He is one of the six I think will go, in round 1, but he could fall to the second.

[LinvilleGorge]

I would have no objections to taking a WR as high as the 2nd if the right guy was there. I'd prefer a 3rd or 4th rounder though. I'd really like to try to stick to the trenches in the 1st and 2nd. 

Though, let's be honest... if Hurney's making the pick we might as well just draft a Huddler in the 2nd.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

19 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Exactly--assuming there is no free agent signing that changes this--we almost have to go OL/DL.  After round 2, the most successful drafts grab the best player.  This draft is shaped to have a third round where the WRs trickle down---

Bradberry signing is going to be  a factor as well.  However, if we do not sign him, we will likely add a free agent? 

We will definitely be adding some free agents although I dont see us making any blockbuster signings but maybe I'm wrong. It's hard telling at this point that's why I kept most of my thoughts strictly draft orientated we just have so many unknowns not just with players but with the coaching staff as well. How much say is Hurney really going to have in these decisions versus Rhule? I imagine Rhule will have the final say but I wonder how much more hands on and authority Rhule will be/have in scouting the talent available to build the roster (FAs, trades, draft) versus someone like Rivera. Coming from the college ranks and having to recruit should give him a good idea on how he wants to build the team. Obviously hes already stated he has a plan so we'll just have to wait and see what it is. Hard telling how active we'll be in FA.