The Offensive Line

[MHS831]

I rarely repeat it when I am wrong, but I stated in several threads last year that the secret to our season would be the left side of the offensive line.

At that time, I thought Cam was ready to go and did not foresee the DL problems---but I think all three were factors.

[stbugs]

47 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Your not high on Tyler Biadasz?

No, not like McCoy, Bradbury (not in the 1st) or Jenkins.

If Marty didn’t just fall for guys and seemingly think we could fix the flaws, he would have seen that last year you fix the interior and this year you ho tackle. We did it in reverse and thus will likely be worse at both spots.

[Matthias]

7 hours ago, The Huddler said:

Its seems silly to me to give up on Greg Little (notably raw coming out of college, needing coaching) After one rookie season with a concussion issue and a coach fired mid season, that you traded up in the 2nd for. That seems incredibly short sighted to me. There were a ton of factors pitted against a raw rookie, and he still showed promise at a position that rookies tend to struggle even with the best circumstances. 

 

 

We gotta give this guy a better shot than that. Let Rhule and his army of coaches get a hold of him and coach him up. We actually have young potential at the OT position. 

 

Go draft a position where theres a huge need, AND theres no young potential. AKA Defensive Line, specifically DT.  

 

if we MUST upgrade left tackle RIGHT NOW, do it via free agency. Drafting another rookie OT that will require coaching to combat a learning curve is not the short term answer many of you want.   

It's not like he was a first round pick.  There's a reason he was passed up. (And teams don't pass up good tackles, especially LTs)  Bring in Jack Conklin, bring in Tristan Wirfs.  Get Cam protection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt62881]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

No, not like McCoy, Bradbury (not in the 1st) or Jenkins.

If Marty didn’t just fall for guys and seemingly think we could fix the flaws, he would have seen that last year you fix the interior and this year you ho tackle. We did it in reverse and thus will likely be worse at both spots.

Yea I was very high on Bradbury, if we had nabbed him in the second we still might have even got Little, even if we had to trade up (we did it anyways) in the 3rd. But all we can do is look toward the future what's done is done, time seeing a 1-3 grad on Biadasz wich shows me he is raw but shows high level flashes. I don't watch college, do you feel he has the capabilities of being a franchise center?

[Panthers.forever190]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

Neither has shown that they can start or even be a back up in the NFL. I had high hopes for Little but he's two concussions away from retirement and Daley isn't talented enough to stop a paper bag in the wind. Seriously Matt Kalil was better. 

We sure don't need to go into 2020 hoping little will be our starter all 16+ games we play. 

[Matt62881]

5 minutes ago, Panthers.forever190 said:

We sure don't need to go into 2020 hoping little will be our starter all 16+ games we play. 

I'm all for a FA LT with a better track record then Matt Kalil so Little can condition and learn, he does have the speed and athleticism to be a LT. Imo even first round Lts aren't plug and play so if we want to truly protect Cam get s vet in there like Donald Pen, I'm hearing the redskins are sticking with Trent Williams. 

[stbugs]

5 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Yea I was very high on Bradbury, if we had nabbed him in the second we still might have even got Little, even if we had to trade up (we did it anyways) in the 3rd. But all we can do is look toward the future what's done is done, time seeing a 1-3 grad on Biadasz wich shows me he is raw but shows high level flashes. I don't watch college, do you feel he has the capabilities of being a franchise center?

I liked Bradbury as well, just seemed like he was getting overhyped which made McCoy such a good value (effin Saints). I just don’t think Biadasz is at that level. We'll see at the combine.

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I liked Bradbury as well, just seemed like he was getting overhyped which made McCoy such a good value (effin Saints). I just don’t think Biadasz is at that level. We'll see at the combine.

Exactly we need combine results to see where alot of these guys stand, he sounds technically sound but I want to see his athleticism because that's what helps guys transition to the NFL. That's how I feel about Lane Johnsom, if they dont have his athletic abilities they aren't first rd worthy.

[LinvilleGorge]

I dont think anyone wants to give up on Little amd cut him, but I think it's very risky going into next season with him penciled in at LT. He hasn't been able to prove that he has the ability nor the availability. He has to play better AND he has to stay healthy.

The other problem with Little is that his college play wasn't near what he was hyped up to be as a HS prospect, he got WRECKED in one on ones at the Senior Bowl, and his combine was meh. Hurney STILL traded up in the 2nd to get him. I' might feel differently if I felt better about him as a prospect but I was hoping we'd stay away from him from the get go. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

[GRWatcher]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

No, not like McCoy, Bradbury (not in the 1st) or Jenkins.

If Marty didn’t just fall for guys and seemingly think we could fix the flaws, he would have seen that last year you fix the interior and this year you ho tackle. We did it in reverse and thus will likely be worse at both spots.

We had to do it in reverse and I don't see that it's as bad as you think. Who did we have for LT before the draft? Darryl Williams????? We waived Matt Kalil for good reason and Little was worth taking a chance on. No one foresaw his concussions which led to his not even being there for practices to learn by watching.

The problem with the O-line started when Norwell left. That was Hurney's 1st mistake. Lack of good depth for our many injuries was the 2nd. I think we'll see a big uptick in Pardis' play this year with him having a good total offseason especially if Turner can stay healthy. IIRC every single O-line position except center had subs in at some point because of injuries. You can't have consistent good play with that and you can't put the problems all on the center. Pardis is no Ryan Kalil, no one would be, but IMO he will be better than most.

[stbugs]

44 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

We had to do it in reverse and I don't see that it's as bad as you think. Who did we have for LT before the draft? Darryl Williams????? We waived Matt Kalil for good reason and Little was worth taking a chance on. No one foresaw his concussions which led to his not even being there for practices to learn by watching.

The problem with the O-line started when Norwell left. That was Hurney's 1st mistake. Lack of good depth for our many injuries was the 2nd. I think we'll see a big uptick in Pardis' play this year with him having a good total offseason especially if Turner can stay healthy. IIRC every single O-line position except center had subs in at some point because of injuries. You can't have consistent good play with that and you can't put the problems all on the center. Pardis is no Ryan Kalil, no one would be, but IMO he will be better than most.

We didn’t have to do it in reverse. We lost several games because our interior OL couldn’t get any push at the goal line. We made a mistake reaching for a raw prospect who honestly showed some serious red flags during the pre-draft period. Just like Grier, it seemed like we were the only team locked in him and grabbed him before we should have and we passed on legitimate studs on the interior for the hope that he would become a good LT. It was a mistake if the guy who’s such a good college talent evaluator had paid attention to what was coming tackle wise. We had holes at LT, LG and C. We threw money at two seriously injured guys and threw two day two picks at LT. A year later and we are in the same place. It would have been nice to have a future pro-bowl C and a legitimate shot at a stud LT this year and oh gee, how about pick 38 for the best LG we can find. What’s that? We had to do it in reverse because who would have wanted to have our OL fixed after April’s draft. SMH.

[GRWatcher]

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We didn’t have to do it in reverse. We lost several games because our interior OL couldn’t get any push at the goal line. We made a mistake reaching for a raw prospect who honestly showed some serious red flags during the pre-draft period. Just like Grier, it seemed like we were the only team locked in him and grabbed him before we should have and we passed on legitimate studs on the interior for the hope that he would become a good LT. It was a mistake if the guy who’s such a good college talent evaluator had paid attention to what was coming tackle wise. We had holes at LT, LG and C. We threw money at two seriously injured guys and threw two day two picks at LT. A year later and we are in the same place. It would have been nice to have a future pro-bowl C and a legitimate shot at a stud LT this year and oh gee, how about pick 38 for the best LG we can find. What’s that? We had to do it in reverse because who would have wanted to have our OL fixed after April’s draft. SMH.

Hindsight is 20/20. Think back to draft day. We didn't have glaring holes at LG or C. Pradis was rehabbing but apparently passed the physical and GVR wasn't injured. LT was a big enough hole to drive a semi through. I can't speak to Hurney's choice with Little but I don't think he made the choice totally by himself. And, except for injuries, our O-line was fixed.

You are a tool, you're attitude towards anyone that disagrees is myopic and toxic. Must be nice to consider yourself a typing warrior. 

[Waldo]

We could drasticaly improve an area of need since Oher's short stint as the answer. Take the LT and be thrilled. Im interested in Daley at OG but i think he gives us an option at backup for OTs., thats really good. Little is nothing but hope and a long shot. He is looking more like Gauldin than Kalil. Not taking a LT this year because we took Little last year is like not taking Cam because of Clausen. What is spent means nothing unless  the issue was addressed. So far it isn't. There is LG where we could use an upgrade. If he does improve then he could compete there.

Sadly i don't expect it to happen and we will be looking at LTs next year again.

[Panthers.forever190]

2 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

I'm all for a FA LT with a better track record then Matt Kalil so Little can condition and learn, he does have the speed and athleticism to be a LT. Imo even first round Lts aren't plug and play so if we want to truly protect Cam get s vet in there like Donald Pen, I'm hearing the redskins are sticking with Trent Williams. 

I do think we go LT round 1 tbh.