Panthers Get Big Tax Break

[Gesualdo]

On 2/1/2020 at 5:56 AM, 1of10Charnatives said:

 supporting tax breaks for some businesses but not others, which is what you’re doing when you support a sports team’s property being taxed differently than everyone else’s, that is the government favoring one private business over another.

There’s a term for that practice, it’s called socialism. The socialist in this case is not the person against the tax break, it’s the person for it.

That's just very literally NOT socialism. Stop being a boomer and using "socialism" completely at random as a term for things you don't like.

[1of10Charnatives]

18 minutes ago, Gesualdo said:

That's just very literally NOT socialism. Stop being a boomer and using "socialism" completely at random as a term for things you don't like.

Favoring one private business over another prior to actual acquisition and control by the state is indeed an early component of socialist gameplanning. However, if the term itself is problematic for you, let’s remove it as whether it’s called socialism or not is not my primary concern in this debate.

My primary concern is that I am strongly opposed to taxpayer subsidies for already highly profitable private businesses that cannot conclusively demonstrate with figures that subsidies to them are a net gain to the taxpayer.

Also I’m neither a boomer nor generally conservative politically, and I do agree that the term socialism tends to get thrown around loosely, so perhaps it’s use here was indeed a poor call on my part.

[Happy Panther]

19 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Why would tunnel locations matter?

They don't. But it is tradition in soccer that the teams file out together and gather at midfield with the refs. And for some reason a bunch of kids.

[Gesualdo]

19 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Favoring one private business over another prior to actual acquisition and control by the state is indeed an early component of socialist gameplanning. However, if the term itself is problematic for you, let’s remove it as whether it’s called socialism or not is not my primary concern in this debate.

My primary concern is that I am strongly opposed to taxpayer subsidies for already highly profitable private businesses that cannot conclusively demonstrate with figures that subsidies to them are a net gain to the taxpayer.

Also I’m neither a boomer nor generally conservative politically, and I do agree that the term socialism tends to get thrown around loosely, so perhaps it’s use here was indeed a poor call on my part.

One quick note on the first paragraph, for the sake of it: This is only applicable in cases where an industry is being nationalized. We're clearly not dealing with that here.

I too am not in the mood for political argument this morning, my friend. Happy to drop this before I get the thread Tinderboxed. 

[Gesualdo]

21 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

They don't. But it is tradition in soccer that the teams file out together and gather at midfield with the refs. And for some reason a bunch of kids.

It's a weird thing everyone started doing about twenty years ago and then...kept doing. It's kinda like some of the traditions that emerged in American sports after 9/11 and just stuck around.

[pnthrs]

1 minute ago, Gesualdo said:

It's a weird thing everyone started doing about twenty years ago and then...kept doing. It's kinda like some of the traditions that emerged in American sports after 9/11 and just stuck around.

Directly involving the youth soccer players and programs into a simple game-day tradition is beyond brilliant.  It not only builds the sport generationally, but humanizes the adult players and broadens viewership and support.  Its about as win win as you can get for the sport for zero dollars.  

[BurnHurnBurn]

No matter what imaginary number you assign to a building for tax purposes the tax revenue generated by that hunk of concrete and the team over the last quarter century dwarfs it in comparison.  I dont even think its possible to accurately state the financial impact of the Panthers to not only Charlotte but NC as a whole.  So to get all sanctimonious over an action we would all do to any property we own if being reevaluated is dishonest.

[Gesualdo]

30 minutes ago, pnthrs said:

Directly involving the youth soccer players and programs into a simple game-day tradition is beyond brilliant.  It not only builds the sport generationally, but humanizes the adult players and broadens viewership and support.  Its about as win win as you can get for the sport for zero dollars.  

Don't disagree. It's just optically weird to me still, after all these years. I grew up watching soccer, and there were no kids... and then suddenly, there were a whole bunch of kids.