Cam Newton: Foot injury a “blessing” for his shoulder.

[WoahW]

1 hour ago, Paa Langfart said:

Injuries to any body part that has such a range of motion as the shoulder are likely to result in degenerative osteoarthritis.  That is a fact.  the fact that Cam is 30 years old and now has suffered at least one major foot injury as well leaves me pessimistic about his season long viability.

 

While I don’t disagree unless we have an actual source let’s not spread speculation because that’s pointless. Every person reacts differently to every injury. 

[Jmac]

So in essence he is saying the previous regime never gave his injury time to fully heal.  Basically what many suspected on here.

[1of10Charnatives]

16 minutes ago, Jmac said:

So in essence he is saying the previous regime never gave his injury time to fully heal.  Basically what many suspected on here.

To be a little fair to the previous regime, few regimes would be willing when on the hot seat to sit their best player for an entire season to let an injury heal if the docs don’t tell them they flat out have to. 

But mostly yeah, mismanaged.

[MHS831]

Look at this from the Panther's perspective: His salary is not high.  Cutting him is going to be an option throughout because his salary this season is (mostly) not guaranteed.  You will have cap room, even if you keep Cam because we are going after top free agents.  You want to see what you have; without Cam, it is 2019 all over again as you focus on player development.  With Cam, you gauge his health and if he succeeds, you have a trading chip, a mentor, or a qb with 3-4 years left.  Win win.

Look at this from Cam's perspective:  He has always been a great, invincible athlete.  His body has never let him down and he has never experienced "old age" before. Of course he thinks the rest will return him to his old self. But which old self?  The 2015 Cam, the one we have yet to see since?  Cam is the last person we should be using to gauge his health---and even he is unsure.  So when he says, "I will be back," he means it.  But will the 2015 Cam be back?  That is the question.  The odds are against it, so don't expect the Panthers to have all their eggs in Cam's basket.  If he does not play like a $20m QB, they will deal him away or cut him.   If he is right, and if his shoulder is now healed,  great.  Win Win.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Look at this from the Panther's perspective: His salary is not high.  Cutting him is going to be an option throughout because his salary this season is (mostly) not guaranteed.  You will have cap room, even if you keep Cam because we are going after top free agents.  You want to see what you have; without Cam, it is 2019 all over again as you focus on player development.  With Cam, you gauge his health and if he succeeds, you have a trading chip, a mentor, or a qb with 3-4 years left.  Win win.

Look at this from Cam's perspective:  He has always been a great, invincible athlete.  His body has never let him down and he has never experienced "old age" before. Of course he thinks the rest will return him to his old self. But which old self?  The 2015 Cam, the one we have yet to see since?  Cam is the last person we should be using to gauge his health---and even he is unsure.  So when he says, "I will be back," he means it.  But will the 2015 Cam be back?  That is the question.  The odds are against it, so don't expect the Panthers to have all their eggs in Cam's basket.  If he does not play like a $20m QB, they will deal him away or cut him.   If he is right, and if his shoulder is now healed,  great.  Win Win.

I think what Cam said yesterday his him essentially covering his bases if he does get cut or whatever.  He can now say "look I wanted to play, I am healthy etc".  Pretty savvy move by him.  I guess everything will shake out in march.  

[stan786]

50 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think what Cam said yesterday his him essentially covering his bases if he does get cut or whatever.  He can now say "look I wanted to play, I am healthy etc".  Pretty savvy move by him.  I guess everything will shake out in march.  

What he said is definitely good news and I hope he stays but Cam has always been treated differently by the media and he knows it.  It’s really the only thing he could have said without getting dragged by some stupid media overreaction IMO.  It was 100% the correct for him to say regardless of what was going on.  I’m really hoping it was genuine and we get another year or a few of Cam, but I would feel a lot better about it if I got a report that the FO was leaning towards keeping him at some point in the coming weeks.

[Megadeth]

20 hours ago, stirs said:

My opinion is that we will trade him unless we get no credible offers.  At that point, we try to talk up the decision to make it look like our idea.

Shoulder will never be the same, and a grade 3 foot injury will naturally cause loss of motion and make him a bit slower on his feet.  2015 is gone in my opinion.  Hope that it is not the case.

Here's some scenarios for you Mr Mathematician. We trade Cam for draft picks at other positions, then we acquire a decent roster and become middle of pack by jumping into the career back-up QB carousel of Hoyer, Foles, Sanchize and Kyle Allen types. So where in your calculations does it account for finding our next franchise QB with middle of the round picks in the foreseeable future? 

If we're going to trade Cam, wouldn't we better off using those damn draft picks to trade up and replace Cam? 

You talk about what ifs with Cam, then bring up Brady. You think Brady doesn't come with a ton of question marks himself?

-Will Brady be a good fit with our new mostly college staff?

-How much does Brady have left at his age?

-Is he capable of more than what we saw this season (which IMO was average to below average)? 

Is current Brady capable of outplaying a healthy Cam?

I've mentioned before in a previous post that I felt bad for our elite players and thought that they deserved to go to a better team. But trading Cam for two 2nd round picks (allegedly his predicted free agency going rate), then drafting two decent 2nd rounders with no way of knowing if we'll have a decent QB in the foreseeable future. Is in no way better than taking a chance on Cam who may still have a few more good years in him. 

To catch games live in Australia i have to wake up at 1am-4am on a Monday to catch Sunday games. If I am going to wake up that early on a workday I would like to at least enjoy some Panther football again, and I believe Cam can do that if healthy.

[stirs]

7 minutes ago, Megadeth said:

Here's some scenarios for you Mr Mathematician. We trade Cam for draft picks at other positions, then we acquire a decent roster and become middle of pack by jumping into the career back-up QB carousel of Hoyer, Foles, Sanchize and Kyle Allen types. So where in your calculations does it account for finding our next franchise QB with middle of the round picks in the foreseeable future? 

If we're going to trade Cam, wouldn't we better off using those damn draft picks to trade up and replace Cam? 

You talk about what ifs with Cam, then bring up Brady. You think Brady doesn't come with a ton of question marks himself?

-Will Brady be a good fit with our new mostly college staff?

-How much does Brady have left at his age?

-Is he capable of more than what we saw this season (which IMO was average to below average)? 

Is current Brady capable of outplaying a healthy Cam?

I've mentioned before in a previous post that I felt bad for our elite players and thought that they deserved to go to a better team. But trading Cam for two 2nd round picks (allegedly his predicted free agency going rate), then drafting two decent 2nd rounders with no way of knowing if we'll have a decent QB in the foreseeable future. Is in no way better than taking a chance on Cam who may still have a few more good years in him. 

To catch games live in Australia i have to wake up at 1am-4am on a Monday to catch Sunday games. If I am going to wake up that early on a workday I would like to at least enjoy some Panther football again, and I believe Cam can do that if healthy.

Welcome Mr Downunder.  Never ever thought of bringing Brady here.  Would not want that ever.

Do not want to go back into this subject, its played out.  IF healthy are the words everyone uses.  Not much of a limb to go out on there is it?

If we could get Cam of 2015 back, nobody would have these conversations.  So the "if healthy" stuff, is pretty insulated.  Not very bold as it is everyones opinion, even mine.  My whole point was that we probably WONT get back the Cam of 2015.  If you had to take all your money out of the bank and bet it on Cam being his 2015 self, would you do it?

Sorry about all the fires down there, hope you and yours fared well

[KillerKat]

So many posters are dreaming of their great white hope starting again next season no matter how terrible he is. Got to get that showboating black guy out of here even if he is worlds better than the alternative, right?

[stirs]

3 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

So many posters are dreaming of their great white hope starting again next season no matter how terrible he is. Got to get that showboating black guy out of here even if he is worlds better than the alternative, right?

Pretty shallow and weak, but whatever

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

So many posters are dreaming of their great white hope starting again next season no matter how terrible he is. Got to get that showboating black guy out of here even if he is worlds better than the alternative, right?

How is this stuff allowed?

[WoahW]

40 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How is this stuff allowed?

Because it’s blatantly obvious what 75% of the people wanting Cam gone actually care about and don’t try and deny it mr alt 

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, Megadeth said:

Here's some scenarios for you Mr Mathematician. We trade Cam for draft picks at other positions, then we acquire a decent roster and become middle of pack by jumping into the career back-up QB carousel of Hoyer, Foles, Sanchize and Kyle Allen types. So where in your calculations does it account for finding our next franchise QB with middle of the round picks in the foreseeable future? 

If we're going to trade Cam, wouldn't we better off using those damn draft picks to trade up and replace Cam? 

You talk about what ifs with Cam, then bring up Brady. You think Brady doesn't come with a ton of question marks himself?

-Will Brady be a good fit with our new mostly college staff?

-How much does Brady have left at his age?

-Is he capable of more than what we saw this season (which IMO was average to below average)? 

Is current Brady capable of outplaying a healthy Cam?

I've mentioned before in a previous post that I felt bad for our elite players and thought that they deserved to go to a better team. But trading Cam for two 2nd round picks (allegedly his predicted free agency going rate), then drafting two decent 2nd rounders with no way of knowing if we'll have a decent QB in the foreseeable future. Is in no way better than taking a chance on Cam who may still have a few more good years in him. 

To catch games live in Australia i have to wake up at 1am-4am on a Monday to catch Sunday games. If I am going to wake up that early on a workday I would like to at least enjoy some Panther football again, and I believe Cam can do that if healthy.

Take a look around the league and see where the best QBs were taken. It's not top 5 that's for sure. 

[Snake]

So his Shoulder wasn't 100% and Rivera was going to ride him into the ground again? 

 

Thank god we hopefully have a better coach with a more innovative offense this time around.