Cam Newton: Foot injury a “blessing” for his shoulder.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

Bottom line, more luck is needed in the keep Cam and we will be great scenario than the trade Cam and pick up add'l players scenario.  Again, might not work, just a football opinion

Luck is never on your side parting with a franchise QB when your other current options are Kyle Allen and Will Grier. Most teams flounder for years after losing a franchise QB. The Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers, Manning/Luck scenarios aren't the norm.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

2 minutes ago, stirs said:

just a football opinion

I am well aware that its an opinion not based on odds.  But feels.

3 minutes ago, stirs said:

I did not want to draft a QB as a number one, odds. 

QBs drafted number 1 over all have the best chance, out of any position, to lead their drafted team to a superbowl.  Those are the odds.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

IF Cam plays well

IF Cam stays healthy

IF Cam get get a huge contract

Those are your odds, if you had to bet your own money....

It only costs $19M to find out. That's chump change in today's NFL QB market.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

IF Cam plays well

IF Cam stays healthy

IF Cam get get a huge contract

Those are your odds, if you had to bet your own money....

For a guy that touts how much you rely on numbers and odds, thats a very large amount of "not numbers" and "feels" you are using for your "odds".

[stirs]

3 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I am well aware that its an opinion not based on odds.  But feels.

QBs drafted number 1 over all have the best chance, out of any position, to lead their drafted team to a superbowl.  Those are the odds.

beside Troy Aikman and the Manning Brothers, who else are you talking about, in your lifetime or even further?

Brady on line 1

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, stirs said:

beside Troy Aikman and the Manning Brothers, who else are you talking about, in your lifetime or even further?

Brady on line 1

Ok.  That is 3.

So lets look at the competition.  What other positional draft picks have lead their drafted team to the Superbowl?  In the last 30 years, I believe there have only been 2 non QBs that played in the superbowl of their drafted team.  And both were on teams that drafted a QB over all 1st within 2 years.

[Oldmanrivera]

2 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

For a guy that touts how much you rely on numbers and odds, thats a very large amount of "not numbers" and "feels" you are using for your "odds".

As frustrated as he got with using the term "ok boomer", he is displaying exactly what the term means.

Lots of ifs that dont really translate to anything other than opinions being badly disguised as well thought out use of numbers

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, stirs said:

IF Cam plays well

IF Cam stays healthy

IF Cam get get a huge contract

Those are your odds, if you had to bet your own money....

If you can find and develop a QB as good as Cam.. How good are those odds ??

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, stirs said:

beside Troy Aikman and the Manning Brothers, who else are you talking about, in your lifetime or even further?

Brady on line 1

How many Super Bowl teams have a #1 overall pick on their roster, period? If you're not taking a QB at #1 overall, you should trade down.

[stirs]

Just now, WOW!! said:

If you can find and develop a QB as good as Cam.. How good are those odds ??

Neither are good.  So what do you do?  Keep Cam and hope his shoulder holds together and he can recapture 2015 with his 2020 line?

Or go ahead and pick up something in exchange before he leaves

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 minutes ago, stirs said:

Neither are good.  So what do you do?  Keep Cam and hope his shoulder holds together and he can recapture 2015 with his 2020 line?

Or go ahead and pick up something in exchange before he leaves

I am not operating under the assumption he leaves.  Like you are.  Because you are ignoring the odds and relying on feels.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, stirs said:

Neither are good.  So what do you do?  Keep Cam and hope his shoulder holds together and he can recapture 2015 with his 2020 line?

At $19M, yes. You absolutely make that gamble. Cam Newton on a 1 year deal at a $21M cap hit that you can only recuperate $2M of that by parting ways with him is playing with house money.

[stirs]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At $19M, yes. You absolutely make that gamble. Cam Newton on a 1 year deal at a $21M cap hit that you can only recuperate $2M of that by parting ways with him is playing with house money.

Vegas George now with all the gaming phrases, haha.  Anyway, if we trade him, what happens to the cap?  If you keep him, can you afford all the "on paper" help you were going to purchase via FA?

[Paa Langfart]

35 minutes ago, stirs said:

Agreed on Greg, but he was the target Cam looked to, point is, will Ian instantly fill his shoes.  I am actually excited about Ian, I think he is a hell of an athlete

So you think Ian will be able to explain the play that was called from a completely new offensive playbook and play caller to Cam ( if he is the quarterback ) in the huddle like Olsen did ?