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[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

Most logical people have said we should see how he does in 2020 before we decide to extend him. 
 

there have been some posters, like you and stirs, who think we should just trade him now regardless. Most of us realize having a franchise qb is vital to a teams success and giving Cam this upcoming season to evaluate his health is LESS risky than trading him away now for a chance to draft an unknown qb to replace him. Evaluating all factors like, will we even be In position to draft a top qb this year or next even if it’s a tank season? What happens if that doesn’t pan out and Cam’s health is a non issue and goes on to another franchise to have success. What happens if we tank and miss out on the top prospects. Because that CAN happen. What happens if one of those prospects gets injured in their final season?

People also remember you questioning Cam as a franchise qb in 2012, when others stressed patience with him so that also has something to do with the poop. People also remember stirs comments on Cam through the years.

All of that is true, my argument all along has been about the crappy timing of all of this. The timing of the injury, the timing of the surgery, the timing of the draft, the timing of the contract.  It all has seem worst case scenario for both parties. 

[TheRumGone]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Read my posts.  I have considered several options--and keeping him this season is a good move--don't put words in my mouth. There is not only 1 correct opinion at this point.  Why do people on here who think it is important to call out others for different opinions think they are qualified to determine what is logical?  The inability to consider alternative perspectives is called bias, and bias is a form of ignorance.

I think it has to do with you posting about Cam in his second year as not being a franchise qb. I remember there were LONG discussions about that. People tend to not forget posters who say outrageous things. And what you were saying about Cam in 2012 was outrageous.

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

All of that is true, my argument all along has been about the crappy timing of all of this. The timing of the injury, the timing of the surgery, the timing of the draft, the timing of the contract.  It all has seem worst case scenario for both parties. 

No--his post is not true--it is all opinion.   In fact, it reflects a deranged need to attack an alternative opinion to validate his own opinion as some form of truth.- It is a gamble either way you look at it.  Truth is not determined by agreement.  We are all calculating what we assume to be true based on limited information.  The best move has not been determined.

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I think it has to do with you posting about Cam in his second year as not being a franchise qb. I remember there were LONG discussions about that. People tend to not forget posters who say outrageous things. And what you were saying about Cam in 2012 was outrageous.

So you want to go back to like 2012 and call out someone eight years later for making comments TODAY about 30-year old Cam?  Doesn't it depend on what you consider to be a franchise QB vs. my opinion? In 2012, he had not established himself as a franchise qb--he was a starter.   How petty your life must be.

[TheRumGone]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

So you want to go back to like 2012 and call out someone eight years later?  Doesn't it depend on what you consider to be a franchise QB vs. my opinion? In 2012, he had not established himself as a franchise qb--he was a starter.   How petty your life must be.

You seem to be very angry when you’re proven wrong. Most of us were saying franchise qbs need time to grow. That was his second year in the league. We brought up plenty of examples of HOF qbs who didn’t put it together until year 7. But if it were up to you at that point we would’ve traded him. Yay. So please forgive us when some people don’t value your opinion on anything Cam related. The less risky move is indeed to keep Cam on for 2020 and evaluate his health for a long term contract. That is not the only option, but it is the correct move with everything we know right now.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

You seem to be very angry when you’re proven wrong. Most of us were saying franchise qbs need time to grow. That was his second year in the league. We brought up plenty of examples of HOF qbs who didn’t put it together until year 7. But if it were up to you at that point we would’ve traded him. Yay. So please forgive us when some people don’t value your opinion on anything Cam related. The less risky move is indeed to keep Cam on for 2020 and evaluate his health for a long term contract. That is not the only option, but it is the correct move with everything we know right now.

At the end of 2012, Cam's record was 13-19 and he threw 29 interceptions in those 2 seasons.  His completion percentage was about 58%.  Nothing about that was "Franchise QB".  He was the starter.  It is outrageous that you thought so.

I really don't know you, beyond the fact that your MO is to try to drag people into idiotic debates where you throw fragmented, subjective opinion into fact.  So no, I don't get mad on a discussion board trying to convince petty people to get lives--it is not my call.  But at least my posts are memorable--I don't even know anything you have ever posted--good or bad---from last week--much less 2012. 

Yes--it is your opinion, as you say, if someone disagrees with your opinions, that does not make them outrageous. OK?  You seem to be making progress.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

At the end of 2012, Cam's record was 13-19 and he threw 29 interceptions in those 2 seasons.  His completion percentage was about 58%.  Nothing about that was "Franchise QB".  He was the starter.  It is outrageous that you thought so.

I really don't know you, beyond the fact that your MO is to try to drag people into idiotic debates where you throw fragmented, subjective opinion into fact.  So no, I don't get mad on a discussion board trying to convince petty people to get lives--it is not my call.  But at least my posts are memorable--I don't even know anything you have ever posted--good or bad---from last week--much less 2012. 

Yes--it is your opinion, as you say, if someone disagrees with your opinions, that does not make them outrageous. OK?  You seem to be making progress.

We saw intangibles and things that made Cam a for sure franchise qb that needed to continue to learn and grow. You didn’t see that. You were Obviously wrong. The end.

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

We saw intangibles and things that made Cam a for sure franchise qb that needed to continue to learn and grow. You didn’t see that. You were Obviously wrong. The end.

Again, you use your opinion as fact and then proclaim yourself a victor.  Sad--you just illustrated the points I made about you. The stats, the record--nothing said franchise qb-- intangibles? --since when did they replace Ws and rings?--and you know that.  If you think a losing record, 58% completions, and 29 interceptions in 32 games spells, FRANCHISE, then that is your opinion, but it is reason enough for me to dispute it.  Damn son.  2012 must have been a rough year for you.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Again, you use your opinion as fact and then proclaim yourself a victor.  Sad--you just illustrated the points I made about you. The stats, the record--nothing said franchise qb-- intangibles? --since when did they replace Ws and rings?--and you know that.  If you think a losing record, 58% completions, and 29 interceptions in 32 games spells, FRANCHISE, then that is your opinion, but it is reason enough for me to dispute it.  Damn son.  2012 must have been a rough year for you.

2nd year qb that you saw those franchise qb qualities in his 1st and 2nd year who started with the 2-14 team the year prior. The worst team in the league. And you wanted to give up on him because of wins and rings. It was short sided. And yet here you are doubling down on being wrong when a lot of us were saying, be patient. Let him grow. He has the intangibles and ability. You were wrong. He grew and flourished. Won an mvp and took this franchise to a super bowl. 
 

this is why people are questioning you now when you say we should trade Cam now. They are questioning your ability to see the best options for the future right now. Because you were outrageously wrong in the past.

[TheRed]

28 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

At the end of 2012, Cam's record was 13-19 and he threw 29 interceptions in those 2 seasons.  His completion percentage was about 58%.  Nothing about that was "Franchise QB".  He was the starter.  It is outrageous that you thought so.

All this yet you are still making excuses for Kyle Allen and comparing him to hall of famers.

Dude you're unhinged.

[TheRumGone]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

All this yet you are still making excuses for Kyle Allen and comparing him to hall of famers.

Dude you're unhinged.

This is exactly what I’m getting at. How can anyone actually respect his opinion on qbs or the best way to go about the future when he posts things like this. Then he freaks out when people poop his posts and acts like we’re deranged. Makes no sense.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

This is exactly what I’m getting at. How can anyone actually respect his opinion on qbs or the best way to go about the future when he posts things like this. Then he freaks out when people poop his posts and acts like we’re deranged. Makes no sense.

Either he hates Newton or he is a racist, that's about the only root cause.

[stirs]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

Most logical people have said we should see how he does in 2020 before we decide to extend him. 
 

there have been some posters, like you and stirs, who think we should just trade him now regardless. Most of us realize having a franchise qb is vital to a teams success and giving Cam this upcoming season to evaluate his health is LESS risky than trading him away now for a chance to draft an unknown qb to replace him. Evaluating all factors like, will we even be In position to draft a top qb this year or next even if it’s a tank season? What happens if that doesn’t pan out and Cam’s health is a non issue and goes on to another franchise to have success. What happens if we tank and miss out on the top prospects. Because that CAN happen. What happens if one of those prospects gets injured in their final season like Tua?

People also remember you questioning Cam as a franchise qb in 2012, when others stressed patience with him so that also has something to do with the poop. People also remember stirs comments on Cam through the years.

What were those comments?

[KendrickPanther]

I wonder if behind closed doors, they have man to man conversations about what it would take to resign Cam. What scenario would be team friendly and what scenario would be Cam friendly. I wonder if they talk about the draft and what could potentially lead to him being traded. If I was Cam, I would want a clear picture from management.