Greg Olsen leaves Panthers, doesn't retire

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I was definitely wrong about that one but I've seen curtis play alot more. Btw I was wrong about you in particular being a garbage poster, my bad. I dont usually take stuff back so take what you will from it....

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, @bonafidebanter said:

New England?

You watched the Patriots recently though?

I get that they've been a dominant team for a long time, but if I'm hoping to sign on with a Super Bowl contender for next season, I don't know if that's the team I'd choose.

[sml1950]

Would have been no reason to sit down with Hurney if he wasn’t offered a paycut to stay, but it probably wasn’t enough. Doubt he gets the 8 million back but could get close in the right situation.  He definitely wants to add to his numbers for HOF.  Probably would like to find a team that could make the SB run, but couldn’t also see him going to Washington with Rivera.

the reallocation of assets begins.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Some of the optimists here, who also claim to be realists, are likely living in an alternate reality. 

Rhule has already told us he is building something special, brick by brick, from the ground up.

Carolina isn't chasing the quick fix any longer, but rather something intended to stand the test of time.

Yes anything is possible next season, but the stated objective of the new coaching staff isn't going to be measured in wins (at least not for the next few years).

Buckle up snowflakes.

[Matt62881]

4 minutes ago, sml1950 said:

Would have been no reason to sit down with Hurney if he wasn’t offered a paycut to stay, but it probably wasn’t enough. Doubt he gets the 8 million back but could get close in the right situation.  He definitely wants to add to his numbers for HOF.  Probably would like to find a team that could make the SB run, but couldn’t also see him going to Washington with Rivera.

the reallocation of assets begins.

I really think they feel it's time for Thomas and there was no way they were paying Greg that much. Honestly with Ian being wasted behind Greg, we haven't seen enough of him I know, the pay cut would be a slap in the face to Greg for the amount it would have to be. Ian has shown flashes though, hes a great athlete that runs pretty decent routes already. 

[MHS831]

21 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

So am I. This rebuild needed to happen last off season 

I think the last time Marty had some cap money to spend and we were 2-14, he used it to sign our FAs off that team--He overpaid for CJ, DWill, Beason, and extended Thomas Davis.  He cut Delhomme and traded for Greg Olsen.

Ironically, it was after the CBA Jerry's Pie Chart news conference that probably sent Andrew Luck back to school, but he drafted Cam Newton.

By re-signing the core players and adding Olsen and Cam, the nucleus was formed.  I guess you could say he did not throw out the Baby with the bathwater, but the signings were to preserve the young core talent.

So let's not underestimate Marty's role in this process.  That was a pretty good free agency period--but his draft was typical Marty.  After Cam:  DT McCain, DT Fua,  Injured CB Hogan,  WR Pilares, LB Wilson, C Zach Wilson, and T Ziemba.  All terrible for us.

Point:  It is hard to see us passing on a top 3 qb

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Some of the optimists here, who also claim to be realists, are likely living in an alternate reality. 

Rhule has already told us he is building something special, brick by brick, from the ground up.

Carolina isn't chasing the quick fix any longer, but rather something intended to stand the test of time.

Yes anything is possible next season, but the stated objective of the new coaching staff isn't going to be measured in wins (at least not for the next few years).

Buckle up snowflakes.

Rhule's first seasons at his two college programs produced what, one win each? And he wasn't even making a transition from college to pro in those cases.

Everyone's free to be as optimistic as they want to be. Just don't operate under the delusion that it has any effect on the team or what's actually going to happen.

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Some of the optimists here, who also claim to be realists, are likely living in an alternate reality. 

Rhule has already told us he is building something special, brick by brick, from the ground up.

Carolina isn't chasing the quick fix any longer, but rather something intended to stand the test of time.

Yes anything is possible next season, but the stated objective of the new coaching staff isn't going to be measured in wins (at least not for the next few years).

Buckle up snowflakes.

We also dont have to suck while doing it is my only point...this team does have talent, some teams are nearly devoid of it and dont have a player close to CMC.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

@Toomers

Curtis does his job, run 9 routes 25% of the game, occasionally get open over the top and catch some comebacks and outs. He went above my expectations when he cought quite a few contested td passes, hes not exactly supposed to score that way at his size. He keeps defenses honest.

   He a JAG outside WR. But could be great if they would use him like a overall weapon. He should have around 75 rushes/year. And DJ about 50. Best parts for their games goes to waste weekly. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think the last time Marty had some cap money to spend and we were 2-14, he used it to sign our FAs off that team--He overpaid for CJ, DWill, Beason, and extended Thomas Davis.  He cut Delhomme and traded for Greg Olsen.

Ironically, it was after the CBA Jerry's Pie Chart news conference that probably sent Andrew Luck back to school, but he drafted Cam Newton.

By re-signing the core players and adding Olsen and Cam, the nucleus was formed.  I guess you could say he did not throw out the Baby with the bathwater, but the signings were to preserve the young core talent.

So let's not underestimate Marty's role in this process.  That was a pretty good free agency period--but his draft was typical Marty.  After Cam:  DT McCain, DT Fua,  Injured CB Hogan,  WR Pilares, LB Wilson, C Zach Wilson, and T Ziemba.  All terrible for us.

Point:  It is hard to see us passing on a top 3 qb

I don't know how much longer he's going to be around, but I feel pretty comfortable thinking that the rebuild is going to last longer than Marty will.

[stbugs]

16 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Ted ginn and J Stewart were our best weapons in 15...yes our defense was and will be 10x better then next year but we also went 15-1. Our 2019 defense was hurt bad at a position that we had no depth in...allowing 5yds a carry wont happen next year bet on that. If it does I wont be watching many games because it directly attributed to most our end season losses.

Umm, Olsen and Cam were our two best weapons and Stewart was still good. Heck, if Stewart was fully healthy for the SB, we probably win. Actually, our third and fourth best weapons were our D and OL. We had 1 more takeaway per game than the average team and OL was consistently ranked top 5 in 2015 and was healthy. That’s huge and we don’t have any of that.

[Matt62881]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think the last time Marty had some cap money to spend and we were 2-14, he used it to sign our FAs off that team--He overpaid for CJ, DWill, Beason, and extended Thomas Davis.  He cut Delhomme and traded for Greg Olsen.

Ironically, it was after the CBA Jerry's Pie Chart news conference that probably sent Andrew Luck back to school, but he drafted Cam Newton.

By re-signing the core players and adding Olsen and Cam, the nucleus was formed.  I guess you could say he did not throw out the Baby with the bathwater, but the signings were to preserve the young core talent.

So let's not underestimate Marty's role in this process.  That was a pretty good free agency period--but his draft was typical Marty.  After Cam:  DT McCain, DT Fua,  Injured CB Hogan,  WR Pilares, LB Wilson, C Zach Wilson, and T Ziemba.  All terrible for us.

 

 

Wow after Cam that's got to be one of his worst, heres to hoping if he can focus on the draft and leave all the other gming to other people during that phase, he can replicate his first round talent.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know how much longer he's going to be around, but I feel pretty comfortable thinking that the rebuild is going to last longer than Marty does.

Trying to be optimistic about Marty---but he has not been as bad as people think--I still want him gone.  I don't think he has the gift of finding talent later in the draft---

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Matt62881 said:

We also dont have to suck while doing it is my only point...this team does have talent, some teams are nearly devoid of it and dont have a player close to CMC.

Agreed, the cupboards aren't entirely bare, just don't plan on throwing any big parties with what we have on hand.