The case for Okuda at CB

[Happy Panther]

Sorry if this has been done. But everyone seems to be of the trenches vs QB vs WR camp.

Guess who our top rated CB was in 2019...

Javien Elliott    CB    67.2    
James Bradberry    CB    59.8
Ross Cockrell    CB    57.5   
Donte Jackson    CB    55.6

That's right THE Javien Elliott.

Tre Boston was our second highest rated defensive player btw at 76.4

Okuda's weaknesses are that he is too athletic. He would make an immediate impact.

[stirs]

Who needs to throw against us at this point when they can run the ball for over 200 yds a game?

[Raleigh PF]

6 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Sorry if this has been done. But everyone seems to be of the trenches vs QB vs WR camp.

Guess who our top rated CB was in 2019...

Javien Elliott    CB    67.2    
James Bradberry    CB    59.8
Ross Cockrell    CB    57.5   
Donte Jackson    CB    55.6

That's right THE Javien Elliott.

Tre Boston was our second highest rated defensive player btw at 76.4

Okuda's weaknesses are that he is too athletic. He would make an immediate impact.

Any defensive secondary playing behind a weak and injury-depleted DLine is going to have issues. If they can't pressure the QB consistently, then the QB has much more time to find the open man.

Look at it this way. Yes, Okudah *might* be good enough to hold his own, but unless the DLine can pressure effectively, the QB will simply choose another target.

Realistically, those stats don't support drafting a CB. They support drafting a DLineman.

[La Pantera]

11 minutes ago, stirs said:

Who needs to throw against us at this point when they can run the ball for over 200 yds a game?

This...

[WarPanthers89]

Let’s be honest...I don’t think anyone would be unhappy if we got Okunda at 7, or DT, or OT. We need all three and as long as they are top rated at the position, We could use them and go need on rounds 2-7 and pick up pieces in FA. Top cornerbacks, Top Defensive tackles, and top OTs cost you a ton in free agency, so any superstar in those positions that we can pick up at 7 would be welcomed with open arms.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Raleigh PF said:

Any defensive secondary playing behind a weak and injury-depleted DLine is going to have issues. If they can't pressure the QB consistently, then the QB has much more time to find the open man.

Look at it this way. Yes, Okudah *might* be good enough to hold his own, but unless the DLine can pressure effectively, the QB will simply choose another target.

Realistically, those stats don't support drafting a CB. They support drafting a DLineman.

 Let's talk about normal D lines given any scheme won't work with broken down injured D lines. I think that shutdown corners help the d line more than a d line helps the secondary if 4 receivers come open immediately.  No one can generate pressure on the D line if the quarterback is getting the ball out in under 3 seconds all day unless you cover then off the line and make the quarterback hold the ball instead of playing pick and catch with multiple open guys.

[Riverboat Ron]

OT or DT in the first is the only real answer.

[ForJimmy]

Okudah, Brown, or Simmons should be there when we pick. I prefer Brown because I think he will help the defense more as a whole. However all 3 are great talents.

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

Too high of a pick to spend on defense when we're going away from defense as a team.

Jerry Jeudy.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, stirs said:

Who needs to throw against us at this point when they can run the ball for over 200 yds a game?

I would be very happy to see us being able to stop the run again...

[1of10Charnatives]

3 hours ago, Raleigh PF said:

Any defensive secondary playing behind a weak and injury-depleted DLine is going to have issues. If they can't pressure the QB consistently, then the QB has much more time to find the open man.

Look at it this way. Yes, Okudah *might* be good enough to hold his own, but unless the DLine can pressure effectively, the QB will simply choose another target.

Realistically, those stats don't support drafting a CB. They support drafting a DLineman.

Umm...we had the 2nd most sacks in the league this year behind only Pittsburgh. Yes we sucked against the run but the statistical evidence doesn’t support the notion the secondary looked bad because we couldn’t pressure the Qb. We had an effective pass rush, we just couldn’t stop the run.

[Raleigh PF]

4 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Umm...we had the 2nd most sacks in the league this year behind only Pittsburgh. Yes we sucked against the run but the statistical evidence doesn’t support the notion the secondary looked bad because we couldn’t pressure the Qb. We had an effective pass rush, we just couldn’t stop the run.

What percentage of plays resulted in a sack exactly? It's not a high percentage. I'd rather see the percentage of times we were able to get pressure on the QB in comparison to the rest of the league.

[1of10Charnatives]

14 minutes ago, Raleigh PF said:

What percentage of plays resulted in a sack exactly? It's not a high percentage. I'd rather see the percentage of times we were able to get pressure on the QB in comparison to the rest of the league.

Per

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm

Pressure % at 25.2, tied with Bears for 7th best.

[yasuhara2241]

Rivera: Loved vets and also pressure up front. Money was always invested there in his tenure and not much in the secondary. 

New Coaching Staff: I don't have a clue which makes this offseason so intriguing. With our last regime I would seriously doubt a high pick at CB, but I just am not sure what they will do. They could go CB, DT, LB, OT, WR or QB. We have so many holes. I am interested to see if Rhule tries to fix the offense first or the defense.