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Prospects at 7: Let's hear it...who Jumps Out?

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1 hour ago, Varking said:

Give me Okudah

Yep.  With a re-signed Bradberry, that would light a fire with Jackson and it would suddenly be a strength.  If we don't re-sign Bradberry, that becomes one of the biggest needs again and we could allocate those lost funds to the lines.

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Thomas, Wirfs, Wills,

 

 

All 3 are better OTs to come out in a few seasons.

 

OT is a position that has held us back

 

 

LT is a spot that we havnt replaced since.....Gross left

 

 

 

All the shiny toys are nice but unless you have a OL,  its worthless.

Atlanta for example, have Julio, Signed Sanu, Drafted Ridley, already had ECU's Hardy (who many here wanted.

 

You know why it didn't work?  OL thats even with a probowl Center and LT.  But the other spots in the trenches were so bad it held them back.

 

Thats why you saw them draft a OG so high last year, then traded back into the first for a RT.

 

 

 

 

 

And especially with a QB with a Injury history or a raw rookie.  The last thing you want os them getting pounded

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12 hours ago, saX man said:

*Gone/Don't bother to mention: Burrow, Young.  Also, the following is in no particular order (or maybe it is...):

1. Jeffrey Okudah (CB)

2. Derrick Brown (DT)

3. Andrew Thomas (OT)

4. Jedrick Wills (OT)

5. Jerry Jeudy (WR)

6. Isaiah Simmons (LB)

7. Tua Tag (QB)

8. Cedee Lamb (WR)

9. Tristan Wirfs (OT)

10. Justin Herbert (QB)

11. Javon Kinlaw (DT)

12. AJ Epenesa (DE)

 

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I am confident one of the 12 listed is our pick.  Who jumps out the most to you?  Is there anyone you think is about as can't miss as they come?  Is there one that looks like an obvious perpetual all-pro with legit leadership abilities? Does anyone from the lower ranks make a meteoric rise? 

I'd have to say Okudah and Jeudy are super tantalizing.  Elite prospects at their positions.  Does their star potential supersede needs? 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings

 

I wanna hear from youuuuuuuuuuu

 

Okudah or Thomas if they are there.  Although I want a Shut Down CB if we have the chance at Thomas I say grab him and then we will worry about Little.  We need to see if Little can stay healthy for a year.  Little might be serviceable at RT and move Morton inside to either G positions.

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8 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

No offense intended, but I think your desire to build a team from edge skill-players in is just silly considering how historically awful the DL and OL were last season.

The intent here is to diverge from hyper focusing on positions/areas and see if any one of these guys, position aside, is a can't miss prospect that elevates a franchise.  I think there are two, maybe three, outside of Young & Burrow. 

Not directed at you but let's get a bit less of the quick OL or bust one-offs in here.   

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On 1/27/2020 at 11:12 AM, thefuzz said:

If the OT's check out, that's my go to.  If not, Brown.  If neither, trade back a bit, pick up some extra ammo.

We need a good, deep draft.

Brown is good.

But that OSU CB and Thomas are my faves.  With Jeudy just a tad behind bc of how awesome this WR is. 

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On 1/24/2020 at 9:01 PM, pantherj said:

What I am hoping is that the Panthers have moved on from our old blueprint of loading the front 7 with 1st round talent, and skimping on the o-line. it didn't work for Jon Fox, it didn't work for Rivera, and it won't work for the new coaching staff over the long run. Stopping the run and running the ball is how you get to 8-8ish, and 8-8 is football purgatory. You miss the playoffs, and you miss the top draft talent as well. Or you squeak into the playoffs by the skin of your teeth, and then get curb stomped, and draft even lower.

Fox ball is for losers. Fox ball is about beating up on bottom feeding teams by pushing their lines around, and then you claw your way to 8-8. No more.

The plan has to change starting with how we draft. We don't need an elite MLB to tackle the RB. A regular MLB will do just fine, and if he get's busted up (a certainty) it's not a big deal. Go get a young fresh one and dump him. Churn the LB position. Fresh legs, a willingness to destroy their body, financially broke, good football IQ, these are the LBs we need for the new blueprint. NO 1st round LBs. Hell no. I want young violent LBs who are dead broke and looking to make their fortune. If they make some mistakes, fug it. It's not rocket science, they'll pick it up or dump them and bring in a smarter guy. That being said, Isaiah Simmons is off the list.

I want to play zone defense. The reason is because we don't need elite shut down CBs to play zone. We need zone CBs who can be drafted lower. Having a shut down CB doesn't stop good teams from passing the ball to all the other weapons the field and running up the score, and with the rules the way they are any CB is going to get beaten. We'll play our zone with Bradberry and pair him with a later round rangy zone CB, and move Jackson to the slot. Jeffrey Okudah is off the list.

In order for our zone defense to be effective we must collapse the pocket so timing QBs (Drew Brees) can't eat us alive. The pocket must collapse, get Drew off his spot, and effect his follow through (see Brees injuring his hand this season). What works against Brees will work against all timing passers, and other teams as well. We must dethrone the Saints to make the payoffs, so a premium pick can be used to collapse the pocket or use speed to rush the passer. Derrick Brown is on the list.

Protecting the QB with a good o-line is common sense. You need a healthy QB, and passing is much easier in today's NFL, so put the ball in the air. The more time you can buy the QB the more wonderful rewards you'll rack up. Pass interference, guys breaking wide open, gassing the defense, it's just amazing when you can pass. This draft is NOT loaded with talented LTs. poo drops off a damn cliff by the time you're looking at Wirfs, who is too slow to play LT and might be too slow for RT as well and end up at OG. Tristan Wirfs is off the list. You know who isn't too slow? You know who is quick and silky smooth and can play LT no problem? Andrew Thomas is on the list.

In my blueprint a worthy offensive weapon is usually a good pick. We want to collect weapons like they they're going out of style, but we must do things in order. The problem is that we have yet to build our o-line, or d-line, and we can't put our QB in jeopardy for an otherwise smart and reasonable pick. It pains me to say this because I want him, but Jerry Jeudy is off the list.

We should trade down if Thomas and Brown are gone, and we would find multiple extremely interested partners due to the talent drop off after our pick. The trade down is an option due to our horrific need for players on both sides of the ball. We're terrible and we need a lot of help all over the field. If Thomas and Brown are gone, then I predict a trade down. We will then target a lesser OT at a lower more appropriate spot.

Pretty sure we'll be running an entire different scheme on both sides of the ball, I'd be happy with any of those rejects.

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