Rhule on Cam

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

We’re talking about a healthy Cam though, that’s what you were arguing. That we should trade cam even if he’s healthy. If that’s the case then they better be damn sure they get someone on par with a healthy Cam. Because if Cam is healthy and thrives elsewhere meanwhile we are stuck without a franchise qb for the next 4 to 5 years and an offense whose centerpiece is a rb. We are fuged. franchise qbs are hard to find. No doubt it’s a tricky situation. Let’s hope they get this right.

 

also this, not set in his ways is bullshit. One of the reasons we got Brady is because he’s suppose to be able to adapt to the personnel we have and what they do best. 

Dude Gross even acknowledges the "set in his way" comment.  And he freaking knows Cam.  That is telling.

 

Even a healthy Cam isnt going to be the runner he was in the past and that is what made cam cam.   Unless you think he is going to go back to his 2015ish style when he comes back and if you think that then you should probably be checked for brain damage because that cam is long gone

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, raz said:

he would look great in silver and black.   

I agree, he is the shot in the arm for that team in a new over the top city.

 

And they have a late first.  Makes all the sense in the world

[TheRumGone]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude Gross even acknowledges the "set in his way" comment.  And he freaking knows Cam.  That is telling.

 

Even a healthy Cam isnt going to be the runner he was in the past and that is what made cam cam.   Unless you think he is going to go back to his 2015ish style when he comes back and if you think that then you should probably be checked for brain damage because that cam is long gone

What does that even mean? All qbs do some things well and some not well. Good OCs play to their players strengths. This isn’t something new or revolutionary. This will be the case for Cam or a drafted qb or will Grier or Kyle Allen (lol)

the only way a HEALTHY Cam should not be playing with the panthers in 2020 if he asks to be released/traded because he doesn’t want to play on the last year of his deal. If he’s healthy and is willing to play on the last year of his deal, you do not trade him. That is asinine. 
 

so to break it down:

cams not healthy- you release him/trade him (doubt anyone trades for a non healthy qb whose been injured past two years) and you save 19 mill on the cap for this coming season

cam is healthy but not willing to play on last year of deal - you try to trade him for a pick/cap savings

cam is healthy and willing to play on last year of deal - you do NOT trade him and see what you have in 2020 for future contract talks. Banking on drafting another franchise qb is risky and not a guarantee which could lead to this franchise floundering for years if not an entire decade.
 

there are no other scenarios that make sense for the panthers or for Cam. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

What does that even mean? All qbs do some things well and some not well. Good OCs play to their players strengths. This isn’t something new or revolutionary. This will be the case for Cam or a drafted qb or will Grier or Kyle Allen (lol)

the only way a HEALTHY Cam should not be playing with the panthers in 2020 if he asks to be released/traded because he doesn’t want to play on the last year of his deal. If he’s healthy and is willing to play on the last year of his deal, you do not trade him. That is asinine. 
 

so to break it down:

cams not healthy- you release him/trade him (doubt anyone trades for a non healthy qb whose been injured past two years) and you save 19 mill on the cap for this coming season

cam is healthy but not willing to play on last year of deal - you try to trade him for a pick/cap savings

cam is healthy and willing to play on last year of deal - you do NOT trade him and see what you have in 2020 for future contract talks. Banking on drafting another franchise qb is risky and not a guarantee which could lead to this franchise floundering for years if not an entire decade.
 

there are no other scenarios that make sense for the panthers or for Cam. 

I am trying to figure out how a healthy cam plays?  You still think he is going to run like he did?  Because in my mind there is no way in hell he does that 3 surgeries in.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am trying to figure out how a healthy cam plays?  You still think he is going to run like he did?  Because in my mind there is no way in hell he does that 3 surgeries in.

The concern should be his shoulder not his foot. I am not concerned with his running ability. I’m concerned his shoulder can’t last. So we would need to wait and see how that goes this upcoming season before giving him a new contract. If it doesn’t look good. He walks.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

The concern should be his shoulder not his foot. I am not concerned with his running ability. I’m concerned his shoulder can’t last. So we would need to wait and see how that goes this upcoming season before giving him a new contract. If it doesn’t look good. He walks.

Then it's a wasted season 

[KatsAzz]

40 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think he is gone.  Recent rumors this week is that Gruden wants him to spearhead the team and be the poster boy for when they move to vegas.  Its all just rumors at this point but if he is healthy and can prove it somehow predraft I could see them part with the 19th pic for Cam.  Makes a bunch of sense.  Then they turn and give cam a new deal.  Works for all parties

If this rumor turns out to be true it would be in the Panthers best interest to trade Cam for the 19th pick. Even if  declared healthy he is not going to be the former MVP type QB a lot vision for him to be or that fits the purpose of a rebuilding team.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Then it's a wasted season 

It will be a wasted season without Cam anyway

[joeyxfresco]

1 hour ago, lightsout said:

If true, then this would indicate one possibility to me (not necessarily the case, but seems likely).

Rhule and the Panthers want Cam to play his final year and see what they have with the offense as a whole. If it works out, Rhule has 6 more seasons with Cam. If it doesn't, the plan changes and we go in a different direction. IF this is exactly what he said...it's either extreme confidence as a coach in what he has on the team at this point, or it's throwing the ball in Cam's court on a decision on whether he wants to play out his final year as it is in his contract.

That’s been my train of thought since they announced the 7 year deal. They’re adding Cams last contract year and a throwaway year if Cam were to leave to a standard 5 year deal just to show how committed we are to Rhules vision. The best case scenario is Rhule doesn’t have to look for another QB until the end of his 7 year deal. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

It will be a wasted season without Cam anyway

Not in a draft pick sense.  Rolling one of the others out gets us a top five pick.  Cam is good enough to win like 7-8 games.

[raz]

gross:  maybe you could get a 3rd round pick for cam.    ouch

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

So Tepper and others. 
What has Rhule said on Cam’s future up to this point?

"we plan on winning superbowls with him"

 

 

its literally in the OP dude 

[TheRumGone]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not in a draft pick sense.  Rolling one of the others out gets us a top five pick.  Cam is good enough to win like 7-8 games.

if Cam is good enough to win like 7-8 games with this trash oline and defense then he absolutely should stay with the Panthers. 
 

getting a top 5 pick doesn’t secure a franchise qb. There are more unknowns with that then letting Cam play the last year of his contract if he is healthy.

some of y’all just automatically think top 5 pick we’re good now. It doesn’t work like that.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

if Cam is good enough to win like 7-8 games with this trash oline and defense then he absolutely should stay with the Panthers. 
 

getting a top 5 pick doesn’t secure a franchise qb. There are more unknowns with that then letting Cam play the last year of his contract if he is healthy.

some of y’all just automatically think top 5 pick we’re good now. It doesn’t work like that.

Two things:

7-8 wins and we have to pay Cam out the butt.  Tepper already said the big qb contract is a no no (in so many words)

 

Nobody is saying a top 5 pick makes us good instantly but its a part of the process that makes us good eventually. 

 

Personally I think there is no way Cam is rolling out there on a prove it type one year deal especially with him coming off the injuries.  I guess we shall see in the next month or so.