Tua at #3 (Trade Up)

[joemac]

Just now, Palmetto said:

Would Washington draft burrows and trade Haskins (to anyone not Panthers) the current regime in Washington didn't draft Haskins

I think they would probably think long and hard about it.  If that did happen there would be some monumental wheeling and dealing happening to try and move up to get Burrow and/or Chase Young.

[RumHam]

we better stay away from him. i dont think he cuts it in nfl. that's besides the injury. Hurney needs to do what he does best and take the best prospect no one else needs like LB.

[Mr. Scot]

On 1/21/2020 at 12:07 PM, saX man said:

I don’t know if I’d want this as the price could be high but I did have a dream that it happened. So there’s that.

I also figure this can consolidate the Tua specific conversation and see what people think. Many think he’d be hands down #1 overall if he didn’t go down so I wonder how teams will look at him if his recovery checks out in March per the reported medical follow up he’s due.

He has a really refined game and I just think could be worth the gamble. In an early reboot, I think it’s the most opportune time to take a boom/bust at the most critical position.

whatsayyou?

I say you really want Marty Hurney to go out with a bang, don't you?

(and not a good one)

[Bama Panther]

On 1/21/2020 at 11:15 AM, qazsazsaz said:

Tua had 3 first round nfl receivers to throw to and a dominant O-line. I can't trust a guy who's never been challenged to succeed.

“Never been challenged to succeed”? Are you kidding? The first real game action the guy had as a true freshman was when his team was down double digits at halftime in the National Championship Game. He led that team back to a come from behind win with an amazing touchdown pass in OT after taking a 16-yard loss on the first play for his team.

[Palmetto]

 

Before the injury Tua was the consensus # 1 Qb in the NFL draft. Would have been drafted 1 or 2

 Because of the injury concerns Tua will slip out of the top ten and a team that thought they had no shot at him will be happy to draft and sit him for a year or two

I think he goes 12 to the Raiders

Panthers should stay put and draft the best O-line , D-line , shut down corner or LBer available

[Rocky Davis]

On 1/21/2020 at 12:16 PM, 1of10Charnatives said:

Pretty much all you need to tell me to lose my interest in a 1st round prospect is that he has that Bo Jackson hip injury.

”Oh he’s got that thing that killed Bo’s career? Yeah no, hard pass. If he’s around in the third round maybe, but otherwise show me what you’ve got in a nice left tackle or maybe an elite corner, I’m good.”

 

The main thing with Tua's hip injury is going to be each team's evaluation of how his injury is healing and their review of his medical records. 

Avascular necrosis is what ended Bo Jackson's career as he basically had a partially dislocated hip and was able to get up from the tackle, the partial dislocation allowed him to bear weight and he didn't get it taken care of right away.  Since Bo didn't get treatment right away and get his hip joint "reduced" he basically allowed AVN to end his career.

Tua's injury was a complete dislocation and he wasn't able to bear weight.  He was airlifted to the hospital where he went into immediate surgery to reduce and repair his dislocation and fracture.  His chances of AVN later in life are increased due to the injury, but it shouldn't be an issue for 10-15 years.

I just wanted to clarify why this isn't a Bo Jackson type of situation.

I would take more of a bet on Tua than I would a QB who has had shoulder/elbow injuries.  I would also have my medical staff tape his ankles better than they did in college.  One last thing, I wouldn't draft him unless I had an O-line that could keep him upright in the pocket as he is much more of a pocket passer than a running QB.

[saX man]

59 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

 

The main thing with Tua's hip injury is going to be each team's evaluation of how his injury is healing and their review of his medical records. 

Avascular necrosis is what ended Bo Jackson's career as he basically had a partially dislocated hip and was able to get up from the tackle, the partial dislocation allowed him to bear weight and he didn't get it taken care of right away.  Since Bo didn't get treatment right away and get his hip joint "reduced" he basically allowed AVN to end his career.

Tua's injury was a complete dislocation and he wasn't able to bear weight.  He was airlifted to the hospital where he went into immediate surgery to reduce and repair his dislocation and fracture.  His chances of AVN later in life are increased due to the injury, but it shouldn't be an issue for 10-15 years.

I just wanted to clarify why this isn't a Bo Jackson type of situation.

I would take more of a bet on Tua than I would a QB who has had shoulder/elbow injuries.  I would also have my medical staff tape his ankles better than they did in college.  One last thing, I wouldn't draft him unless I had an O-line that could keep him upright in the pocket as he is much more of a pocket passer than a running QB.

Fair and good post.  Solid take.  Rocky Davis?  More like Solid as a ROCK DAVIS

[1of10Charnatives]

10 hours ago, Rocky Davis said:

 

The main thing with Tua's hip injury is going to be each team's evaluation of how his injury is healing and their review of his medical records. 

Avascular necrosis is what ended Bo Jackson's career as he basically had a partially dislocated hip and was able to get up from the tackle, the partial dislocation allowed him to bear weight and he didn't get it taken care of right away.  Since Bo didn't get treatment right away and get his hip joint "reduced" he basically allowed AVN to end his career.

Tua's injury was a complete dislocation and he wasn't able to bear weight.  He was airlifted to the hospital where he went into immediate surgery to reduce and repair his dislocation and fracture.  His chances of AVN later in life are increased due to the injury, but it shouldn't be an issue for 10-15 years.

I just wanted to clarify why this isn't a Bo Jackson type of situation.

I would take more of a bet on Tua than I would a QB who has had shoulder/elbow injuries.  I would also have my medical staff tape his ankles better than they did in college.  One last thing, I wouldn't draft him unless I had an O-line that could keep him upright in the pocket as he is much more of a pocket passer than a running QB.

Detailed and well laid out. My post was more an attempt to encapsulate my overall feeling on Tua, which is less specifically about the single injury and more broadly given his size, limited mobility and injury history, I consider him too much of a gamble for a top ten pick.

[KatsAzz]

I am not in favor of giving up picks for Tua who is injury prone and overrated in my opinion. If we do any trading i would be willing to trade our #7 pick to obtain more if the right offer became available.

[NAS]

I haven't read all the comments but here are my quick thoughts.  

You absolutely take him at #7 if he drops to us.  It's worth the risk.  You do not increase that risk further by trading up and giving additional draft picks.  That would only be worth it for Joe Burrow.  

[Zeek]

Absolutely not worth trading up for. If he's available in the 2nd round then maybe I take him. Injury prone, not great under pressure, way less mobile than many think, stats mega-boosted from having 3 NFL caliber receivers and a slant happy attack; so many of his 'yards' come from RAC.

He's 6'1" 218 lbs. and I don't believe he could take the pounding our OL will provide him with. Burrow and Hurts are the only two tough enough and mobile enough to survive this OL as day 1 starters. Hurts has plenty of his own issues.