CMC's Potential New Contract - Discussion

[TheRed]

There's another looming issue that really isn't being talked about much. Despite DJ Moore displaying some very nice abilities we still do not have a clear cut #1 WR. When was the last time we can say we actually had that anyway? On top of that QB is a large unknown. Plus we still have to build the lines up.

All in all the rationale behind this really just sounds like some Jerry World poo. I damn sure don't want to hear anymore complaining about how Jerry Richardson used to run things when people are advocating this after witnessing the worst season in years.

[Bronn]

Any and all of our cap space the next two offseasons should go towards remedying the offensive line and run defense, figuring out our QB situation, and shoring up our secondary for the immediate future.

Our OL and Run D are terrible. Like, historically terrible.
Cam's situation is a question mark (I lean towards him coming back and returning to MVP form or outright retiring.)
We have like 3 CBs on the roster right now, and none of them are great.

 

THEN, and ONLY THEN (read 2021 or beyond) you can extend your generational RB.

[stan786]

We can definitely hold him for 4 more years and I agree its the best strategy but it'll more than likely be a highly contentious 4 years and could easily be a bigger hinderance to our development then just paying him or trading him.  If Cam does go and with the way contracts are rolling off our books and Suleiman likes to structure ccontracts we wont even notice his contract in terms of useable cap space by the time we are through most of the front loaded money anyways.  Unless we are giving out terrible contracts in free agency.  Its not smart but I understand Rhule wanting to give the locker room a W and keeping a fan favorite around as he has to make a number of other difficult decisions.

[Car123]

49 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

No extension and you lose the lockerroom as CMC is clearly out performing his current contract.  He would be justified to sit out for a new deal. 

Lol sure.

[thefuzz]

32 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I am talking about tagging him. We could even have him for 4 years if we wanted, and he still wouldn't be the highest paid RB in the league.

He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that cares about that. He wants to win. IF and when we extend him (post 2021,) I suspect it'll be for a bargain deal anyways.

Gotcha.

Then you have to add his 4th year salary, 5th year salary, and the tag would cost, you can even add the 2nd tag....that would have us protecting him for 4 years, but would likely make him very mad at the franchise.

Next years cap hit is 5.4M.

5th year option is probably about 10.5M

Franchise tag for season 6:  12.5M

Franchise tag for season 7:  15M

These numbers are a little dated since we are talking about 2 years from now so it will be more money, but we can at least look at it this way for now.  So you would likely only tag him once due to the pricing, but you also have to take into account the CBA coming up, so we have no idea what these figures will actually be, or if the tag is going to stick around.

So, we can keep CMC locked up for 3 more seasons at 28.4M, but the only thing that really matters is the 1st two after the 2020 season, so 2 years for 23M.  Or right at $11.5M per.  Add the 2nd tag, and it's 3 years for $38M or $12.66 per season.

Now, let's take a look at Gurley's contract.

He essentially signed a 4 year, $51M contract.  So the Rams locked him down for 4 years at $12.7 per.

 

 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

Only two out of the top 10 were in the playoffs.

Overpaying one running back does not guarantee success in this current NFL.

Wow I did not realize how high the top 3 rb contracts were....

I do want to extend CMC though because he is such a weapon in the run game and as a receiver obviously.

[Ivan The Awesome]

He will be the highest paid RB. No doubt. That worries me because you can't run an offense on an RB alone. :/

[bigdog10]

7 hours ago, TheRed said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

Only two out of the top 10 were in the playoffs.

Overpaying one running back does not guarantee success in this current NFL.

It’s a franchise killer. The only thing I can rationalize in my head is you’re getting a receiver and a running back for the money. It’s the only way I can attempt to justify breaking the bank for such an easily replaceable position. 

[bobowilson]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

There's another looming issue that really isn't being talked about much. Despite DJ Moore displaying some very nice abilities we still do not have a clear cut #1 WR.

He was third in the NFL in receiving yards before his concussion.  Third, in the entire NFL.  And that was with a terrible noodle armed qb in Kyle Allen throwing him the ball.  Oh yeah, and he was 22 years old and had the 2nd most yards of any wide receiver before the age of 23 in NFL history (behind Larry Fitzgerald).

Your concern about us not 'having a #1 WR" is pretty common among Panthers fans, but it's also really really bizarre.  I feel like he could have a 2000 yard season and people would still say, "well, he's not 6"5, he must not be a true WR1".

He's taller than OBJ and this isnt 2003.

 

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

He was third in the NFL in receiving yards before his concussion.  Third, in the entire NFL.  And that was with a terrible noodle armed qb in Kyle Allen throwing him the ball.  Oh yeah, and he was 22 years old and had the 2nd most yards of any wide receiver before the age of 23 in NFL history (behind Larry Fitzgerald).

Your concern about us not 'having a #1 WR" is pretty common among Panthers fans, but it's also really really bizarre.  I feel like he could have a 2000 yard season and people would still say, "well, he's not 6"5, he must not be a true WR1".

He's taller than OBJ and this isnt 2003.

 

Please don't get me confused as a Moore hater or anything absurd like that. I am very happy with DJ and think he has a bright future.

But let's take off the homer shades. The jury is still out on Samuel, and who else do have after him and DJ?

We haven't exactly fielded multiple top WR's the last ten years. Before drafting Samuel and Moore our most notable starters at the position since 2011 up to that point were an aging Steve Smith, Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn Jr, and Kelvin Benjamin. Let's not act like we can't continue improving at wide receiver is all I'm saying.

[bobowilson]

Catching dump offs does not make you a wide receiver, or have the positional value of a WR

Perhaps CMC can line up outside and beat cornerbacks 1 on 1 deep, but we haven't seen him try to do it yet, and it's doubtful.

If you just mean he should get 20 million for catching dump offs, undrafted RB Austin Ekeler had 994 receiving yards this year (and about the same yards per carry rushing), and I doubt the Chargers are looking to break the bank on him.

[Shocker]

He is one of the best offensive players in the league.  Pay the man.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Already said, but CMC is the rare RB in the modern game I have no problem extending.  Done as a RB?  Cool, go excel as a slot WR or front load the money to make him an easy cut later on. 

[Gesualdo]

We're on page ten, it's been explained twenty times, and people don't want to hear once.

Being thrifty at RB is a habit of winning teams. Sinking big money into RB is a habit of losing teams. The evidence is beyond overwhelming.

"Oh but it's different this time" - said every losing team
"Oh, but he can be a slot receiver" - say people who haven't looked very hard at what winning teams play their slot receivers
"Oh, but he's a generational swiss-army-knife multi-threat player" - say people trying really hard to make the numbers work
"Oh, but he might last longer than other RBs" - say people who are missing the point that even if he were immortal and invincible, this is a question of cap percentage vs. position value

There really is some weird emotional attachment going on here. I too, white as I am, like watching the whitey run fast and do cool stuff. If he would bust out some dance moves in the end zone, I'd buy him a round in Valhalla. But a big-ass contract would be a poor allocation of resources.

AND HE'S STILL UNDER CONTRACT!