No matter the weapons and the way the league is moving towards. Games are still won in the trenches.

[Waldo]

Our lines are a mess and I have zero faith Hurney can turn them around. If Rhule is as good at coaching up players as advertised then that will help but this is the NFL and lacking talent is an issue. We did not have a LT on the team last year that looked like he could keep up with good speed rushers, which is unfortuanatly normal since Oher.

I'm intrested in which direction we are definitely going on D and how we address that line.

We need a massive overhaul on both sides.

[Pimpdaddy]

11 hours ago, bobcat91 said:

The 49ers did it right. They spent the last 3 drafts getting their lines straightened out. We should do the same. Dont draft a QB until we fix the trenches. I dont want a quick fix. I want sustained excellence 

...the window to keep those players is closing...eventually they will want to get paid and move on,  you cant keep them all.... now where a GM is worth his money is if he can fill in after the attrition to sustain the winning...

[KillaCamNewton]

12 hours ago, t96 said:

Agreed, but I think scheme and coaching is way more important than talent on the D and O lines. You can scheme around deficiencies on both lines. We’ve just never seen that because of our crappy coaching lately....

exactly. theres about 5 elite running backs in the NFL that are going to dominate regardless of the team theyre playing and the gameplan. everyone else is really a product of scheme and OLine. the niners have a bunch a JAGS looking like Barry Sanders

[pantherclaw]

I don't feel we at lacking at talent on the oline. We had some unfortunate injuries that ANY oline would struggle to overcome. 

I can see us adding another guard to the mix, but really, our guys need to get healthy,  and the line play will get better as they play along side each other without having to deal with the constant injury shuffle. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

13 hours ago, ncfan said:

Patrick Mahomes is a Generational talent.  But he has the help keeping him upright from former #1 Overall Pick Erick Fisher at LT.

DL

Chris Jones (2nd rounder turned probowler)

Traded a 1st for probowl Edge Rusher Frank Clark.

 

 

Watching the 49ers dominate

Their DL consists of

- #2 Overall Bosa

- #7 Overall Deforest Buckner

- 1st rounder (#17) Arik Armstead 

- Pro Bowl Edge rusher they traded for, Dee Ford

- #3 Overall Solomon Thomas

 

Their OL

-LT: Joe Staley (1st rounder)

- LG: Laken Tomlinson (1st rounder of Detroit)

-RT: Mike McGlinchey (1st rounder)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile we were the bottom of the league on both sides of the trenches this year.

But we'll draft the hell out of some linebackers won't we

[1of10Charnatives]

In other news:

The sky is blue.

Water is wet.

Women have secrets.

[tiger7_88]

14 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

No doubt. And rhule knows that. 

Lord, I hope so.

[Sgt Schultz]

I work as a contractor for a government agency who has been notoriously bad at modernizing and implementing technology.  The reason is that they develop a valid list of needs, then assess the market.  Almost always, there is a clear leader or two in the market, and at least one with a solid reputation of being able to do what exactly we need, if not more.  A real no brainer.  Right until they select a vendor who has little to no track record in the technology in question, often somebody few have ever heard of, in an unwitting effort to find a diamond in the rough.  Then three years later they start all over again, on the exact same project, because the diamond in the rough was a shard of glass.

If the Panthers send Hurney packing when the dust settles, he should take the job as Director of Acquisitions in that agency.  The transition to him would be seamless.

[thefuzz]

This is precisely why I tell Panther fans who are hoping for a 1 year turnaround to slow their roll....

I get the response that "the 49ers did it in 1 year", when it's apparent to anyone with eyes that they took years to build those lines up.  You DO NOT have to have a star QB to win in this league if your team is built correctly....it certainly helps, but Jimmy is just about average, and he is playing in the bowl.

[tiger7_88]

14 hours ago, rippadonn said:

As Rhule found out. All this air raid this and that, passing league, this and that. The 49ers have three(now two) RBs using old time football philosophy to win games. Running it up the ars of the rest of the NFL.

Let's not forget the running of Cam and Stew on the way to the SuperBowl. No matter how you do it, hitting em' in the mouf always works. If the 49ers win, this copy cat league will be fielding three running backs.

All of the above is true with one qualifier:

If you pair your powerful “hit’em in the mouf” philosophy with predictable “safe” run-run-pass play-calling on downs 1-thru-3, this league will shut you down.

 You need an imaginative coordinator who also understands the passing game at the highest level and not only knows how to use it but WANTS to use it.

If you don’t have that, then you get Rivera/Shula.  Shanahan (who is his own OC) is no Rivera/Shula.

[1of10Charnatives]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I work as a contractor for a government agency who has been notoriously bad at modernizing and implementing technology.  The reason is that they develop a valid list of needs, then assess the market.  Almost always, there is a clear leader or two in the market, and at least one with a solid reputation of being able to do what exactly we need, if not more.  A real no brainer.  Right until they select a vendor who has little to no track record in the technology in question, often somebody few have ever heard of, in an unwitting effort to find a diamond in the rough.  Then three years later they start all over again, on the exact same project, because the diamond in the rough was a shard of glass.

If the Panthers send Hurney packing when the dust settles, he should take the job as Director of Acquisitions in that agency.  The transition to him would be seamless.

I’m sure the government agency you contract for isn’t responsible for anything important like infrastructure...

or energy

or environmental regulation

or public health

or food safety

or national defense

or emergency response.

[Mr. Scot]

From Alaina Getzenberg's profile of Joe Brady...

Quote

Brady offenses also rely on a strong line. The Panthers allowed 58 sacks in 2019, tied with the Dolphins for the most in the NFL. With LSU running four- and five-receiver formations in the spread offense, it leaves fewer blockers to help in pass protection, forcing the line to have even more responsibility. The Tigers won the Joe Moore award in 2019, given to the nation’s most outstanding offensive line unit.

 

[rippadonn]

 

38 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

All of the above is true with one qualifier:

If you pair your powerful “hit’em in the mouf” philosophy with predictable “safe” run-run-pass play-calling on downs 1-thru-3, this league will shut you down.

 You need an imaginative coordinator who also understands the passing game at the highest level and not only knows how to use it but WANTS to use it.

If you don’t have that, then you get Rivera/Shula.  Shanahan (who is his own OC) is no Rivera/Shula.

True. It doesn't matter if your coach doesn't have the instincts.

We've been scripted and scheduled much too long while others are probing and adjusting as needed.

 

[BrizzMachete]

Scheme Scheme Scheme . That’s why you need the best coordinators if the head coach isn’t an X’s and O’s Guy. Which is why Ron Failed and will continue to fail