CBS sports projects Simmons post Luke.

[WOW!!]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don’t think he is Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White.  That is my definition of a generational player. 

Outside of that? Like I said, best player in the draft on defense. 

I won’t be unhappy with the pick.  I love Simmons. 

I just don’t know where this franchise is at the moment. Like I said, we got an owner talking about a big picture rebuild and sucking for a few years.....and then today we are talking about trotting out a team that features two NFL MVP caliber players on O.   

Simmons hands down if a true rebuild.   If we are trying to win in 2020 we need to address weaknesses 

We still have FA and 6 other draft picks to look at weaknesses... If you're saying he's the best defensive player in this draft.. Where you could have a Von Miller type in Chase Young a shut down Patrick Peterson type CB in Okulad and a DT who ppl says reminds them of a all time great like Suh . AND YOU FEEL LIKE Simmons is the best. . You're talking about a generational talent.. Imo

[CRA]

From the LSU game

Simmons' versatility was on full display Monday, as he spent 64% of his snaps in the box while splitting the rest of his time lined up all over the field. He finished the game with seven tackles (six solo), 1.0 sack, two tackles for loss and two passes defended, while allowing only two catches for 21 yards on five targets with two forced incompletions.

 

[Real1zOnly]

17 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

But I will be giddy with Brown, Okulad and 1 of the top 2 tackles as well.. I don't see a wrong move in this draft with any of these players..

You're going to be disappointed when we draft Jeudy at #7.lol

[LinvilleGorge]

Look, I like Simmons. As I've said, I think he's a fantastic prospect. I just don't think he's this transcendent player that some of y'all are making him out to be.

And if he's not, I think we're MUCH better off taking the best lineman on the board because both of our lines are straight trash. Simmons isn't going to help our QB not get sacked a league leading number of times nor is he going to help our DL not part like the Red Sea.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

We still have FA and 6 other draft picks to look at weaknesses... If you're saying he's the best defensive player in this draft.. Where you could have a Von Miller type in Chase Young a shut down Patrick Peterson type CB in Okulad and a DT who ppl says reminds them of a all time great like Suh . AND YOU FEEL LIKE Simmons is the best. . You're talking about a generational talent.. Imo

I’d add one more thought...just something to kick around.  Which I think is important. 

I think different teams would get different results from a Simmons type player and our defensive staff is a complete unknown to me. 

I mean Simmons also is the best defensive player in the country because he also had the best defensive coordinator in the game...who knew how to take advantage of Simmons at at that  level.  That factors.  Simmons wouldn’t of shined the same at other programs IMO

A whack DC that just wants him to play X his way and do a job? Well, I don’t know 

[stirs]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look, I like Simmons. As I've said, I think he's a fantastic prospect. I just don't think he's this transcendent player that some of y'all are making him out to be.

And if he's not, I think we're MUCH better off taking the best lineman on the board because both of our lines are straight trash. Simmons isn't going to help our QB not get sacked a league leading number of times nor is he going to help our DL not part like the Red Sea.

True.

2 schools of thought.  I am always on building from the inside out.  I have always wanted strong lines. But, if we are on a 5 yr rebuild, then I would not reach on a draft pick.  If for instance, we would be in the same situation 10 years ago, would we draft Luke?

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, stirs said:

True.

2 schools of thought.  I am always on building from the inside out.  I have always wanted strong lines. But, if we are on a 5 yr rebuild, then I would not reach on a draft pick.  If for instance, we would be in the same situation 10 years ago, would we draft Luke?

You can't have a five year rebuild. Look at our current roster vs. the SB50 team. That's a five year difference. You're looking at almost full roster turnover in five years and Simmons would be hitting free agency or on a big money contract at that point. Snow will probably be retired or on the verge of retirement and if Brady is as advertised he's a head coach elsewhere.

[Real1zOnly]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look, I like Simmons. As I've said, I think he's a fantastic prospect. I just don't think he's this transcendent player that some of y'all are making him out to be.

And if he's not, I think we're MUCH better off taking the best lineman on the board because both of our lines are straight trash. Simmons isn't going to help our QB not get sacked a league leading number of times nor is he going to help our DL not part like the Red Sea.

He's a great player, he is long and athletic. Problem is he would be our LB, probably the least valued position on defense. We had an all time great in Luke, but with the way the NFL is being played today even Luke was becoming less valued.

We dont need to draft a LB top 7 when teams in our division are going to throw the ball a majority of the game. It doesn't make sense.

We either get draft a Olineman or we taking Jeudy.

Im leaning towards Jeudy with Brady as our OC. He will be itching to have an explosive offense in his first year. A lot will depend on what we do in FA. If we grab a WR in FA, I could see us going OT with #7.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Real1zOnly said:

He's a great player, he is long and athletic. Problem is he would be our LB, probably the least valued position on defense. We had an all time great in Luke, but with the way the NFL is being played today even Luke was becoming less valued.

We dont need to draft a LB top 7 when teams in our division are going to throw the ball a majority of the game. It doesn't make sense.

We either get draft a Olineman or we taking Jeudy.

Im leaning towards Jeudy with Brady as our OC. He will be itching to have an explosive offense in his first year. A lot will depend on what we do in FA. If we grab a WR in FA, I could see us going OT with #7.

I agree. Field general type LBs just aren't nearly as valuable in today's NFL and despite what those with stars in their eyes think, if he's playing safety you're getting lit up.

[yasuhara2241]

I am on the Brown bandwagon. I think he will be a difference maker, but I would completely understand the Simmons pick. Fact is this draft is pretty deep with DT but not very deep with LBs. So do we go for BPA or do we go for a really good player at a position of need because there are not a lot of other players available? 

LBs in the Draft: Simmons, Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray are all probably 1st rounders. Jordyn Brooks might be overdrafted in the 2nd but I am not sure about him. That's about it. There are some other guys but I don't see much difference between them and a guy like Jermaine Carter. 

DTs: Pretty much round 1 - 5 there are guys projected in that round that I wouldn't mind having on the Panthers and think they could be part of the rotation quickly. 

So even though I want Brown, I am slowly being talked into Simmons. 

My ideal would be Brown in Round 1 and Queen in Round 2 but that is becoming more and more a pipe dream because Queen's stock keeps rising. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

LBs in the Draft: Simmons, Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray are all probably 1st rounders. Jordyn Brooks might be overdrafted in the 2nd but I am not sure about him. That's about it. There are some other guys but I don't see much difference between them and a guy like Jermaine Carter. 

Or, join the modern NFL and stop piling so many of our resources into a position of decreasing value. Giving Shaq a big money contract then turning around and spending a top 10 overall draft pick on another LB is the opposite of what we should be doing.

[yasuhara2241]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Or, join the modern NFL and stop piling so many of our resources into a position of decreasing value. Giving Shaq a big money contract then turning around and spending a top 10 overall draft pick on another LB is the opposite of what we should be doing.

My biggest reason why I haven't been talked into Simmons is Luke. We had the best MLB in the league and our defense still struggled so your reasoning is definitely sound. Difference makers seem to be always DTs, Pass Rushers, CBs and S so I agree with your point. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

My biggest reason why I haven't been talked into Simmons is Luke. We had the best MLB in the league and our defense still struggled so your reasoning is definitely sound. Difference makers seem to be always DTs, Pass Rushers, CBs and S so I agree with your point. 

The same thing is true up in Seattle with Bobby Wagner. The two best MLBs in the NFL were on bottom 10 defenses.

[Shocker]

On 1/16/2020 at 7:16 AM, mjligon said:

Sounds like another Shaq.

has meh written all over it

I am going to agree on Simmons.  Definitely more of an OLB/S piece.  Corey Littleton would be an obvious target but he will cost big bucks.  Gotta spend it somewhere...make a run at him Hurndog.  Seriously doubt the Rams can resign him.

Really starting to feel like Brown at 7 IMO.  If he is gone I have to think Okudah is probably sitting there and he will be hard to pass on.  He would make the secondary so much better.