Should the Panthers go all in on Joe Burrow?

[Kuechly&Moore]

3 minutes ago, saX man said:

If he was never injured, the playoff picture would've been wildly different and we may be talking about Burrow going off the board after him.  Not directed at you but it seems people are forgetting how highly touted he was and should still be when he clears. 

He would be a surefire #1 over Burrow if it were not for the injury... 

[Jon Snow]

14 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

Reality is a harsh thing, but yes. I agree. This team is more than just one player away from being competitive next year, hell the next couple of years. Honestly the game plan should be to go through the growing pains of a rebuild, Around 2-3 years, then come back stronger and build around the QB you choose. Whether it's Cam or some new guy in the first round of next year or the next. It's a hard pill to swallow but that's the most sensible thing to do. Evaluate what you have and what you can build around, identify your guy, build around him. Don't mortage your future draft picks away in the process. 

Based on what the organization is saying in public this is almost exactly what they are preparing to do word for word.  Dave is that you?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Kuechly&Moore said:

Moving up to 4 for Tua is more realistic... plus Gettleman can be had.

Gettleman has never traded down and pretty much said he wouldn't with that "two dimes fir a quarter" comment 

[CPF4LIFE]

Give up picks to draft a qb with already injury history just to put him behind line who couldn't block my grandma......thats it.

[stan786]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

And the Dolphins with all the end of the year winning still got pick #5. We were 5-11 and got beat by 20+ points in 5 of those and gave up 29 unanswered in another. If we get rid of Cam we are the 2019 Dolphins and our schedule isn’t ridiculously easy. I don’t want to give up two elite picks and more when one of those could easily be a QB just as good.

If we give up Cam and don't draft a QB sure we are looking rough.  2019 Dolphins had no QB and the worst roster in the league and got blown out a lot early yes, but then good coaching ruined their tank as they got a lot better at the end of the year.  I wasn't comparing us to the 2019 Dolphins though just using it as an example of how good coaching can elevate even the worst teams. 

I'm not married to any strategy and i'm fine holding onto the picks and trying to develop slow, but you can definitely build enough around a young QB with our cap room wed have in free agency and current offensive skill players to surprise some people next year.  There are also other downsides with trying to build before getting a QB, i'd hate to end up in Franchise purgatory building a team that needs a QB to take the next step and being unable to get a QB because of constant 7-8 win finishes.  Teams will 100% tank harder than we will be prepared to do for Trevor and Fields next year.

[Jaxel]

A lot of risk there, but if he's their guy I suppose it wouldn't hurt, he is clearly and by a large margin the number 1 guy this year.

[Mr. Scot]

To anyone hoping he'd pull an Eli/Elway maneuver...

 

[MHS831]

Personally, I see Burrow out of the question.  Cincy stays put with the franchise QB. 

I do not think we will trade up unless we could get Burrow.

Washington:  Young

Detroit:  I see the Lions trading back, and since Miami is likely to want Tua (if medically cleared), I see them trading with the Fish.

The Lions at #5 could take Okudah, CB.  They tend to like first round picks that play offense (1 defensive player picked in round 1 since 2014) which leads me to believe they go defense. Brown (DT) is an option here, but a CB with Okudah's skill set is more rare than a stud DT.

NY Giants: Gettlemen will get a LT/hog mollie.  Willis is the latest projection, where he surrendered 1 sack and only 3.5 hurries in 2019.  Thomas is also possible, but Willis might be as good or better with probably less upside. And it is just like Gettlemen to defy common logic (Daniel Jones, for example, when Grier was available).  The best T in the draft is Wirfs, by the way, but he is known more to be a RT.  Daniel Jones needs to be on his feet to save face for GMan.

Miami:  Via trade or sitting still, Tua is the pick.  The only shocker that changes this is if Detroit takes him (or a team takes him in Detroit's slot--via trade)

LA Chargers:  The Chargers have always be the exception to the rule---they have had a franchise qb for 20 years and still disappoint every year.  Rivers is likely gone in LA, and even if not, the 39-year old father of 32 is likely to need an understudy.  If he is out, Herbert has to be the pick, even though I think he will bust.  If not, they take Thomas, OT.

Carolina:  Let's assume that the Chargers took Thomas.  That leaves the Panthers with some very interesting options:

1. Herbert, QB Oregon.  I know, right?  But maybe with Brady, they feel they can do something with this raw talent. 

2. Brown, DT, Auburn.  There is a chance Detroit takes him, but if not, Brown fills a huge need.

3. Jeudy, WR.  Bama.  One of the best route runners ever to play college ball, Jeudy, Moore, and Sameul would be tough to defend.

4. Wirfs, OT, Iowa.  The best T in the draft, Wirfs can play LT, he just didn't.  Even if he is to be a RT, Moton to LG and keep developing Little (no, you have not seen enough to call him a bust--you need to understand OL development before saying dumb stuff)

I see us trading back if Tua is gone--unless they really like Herbert.  I also wonder if the Panthers do not think Fromm's downfall is fixable, and Brady could turn him into a stud QB.

 

[stan786]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Personally, I see Burrow out of the question.  Cincy stays put with the franchise QB. 

I do not think we will trade up unless we could get Burrow.

Washington:  Young

Detroit:  I see the Lions trading back, and since Miami is likely to want Tua (if medically cleared), I see them trading with the Fish.

The Lions at #5 could take Okudah, CB.  They tend to like first round picks that play offense (1 defensive player picked in round 1 since 2014) which leads me to believe they go defense. Brown (DT) is an option here, but a CB with Okudah's skill set is more rare than a stud DT.

NY Giants: Gettlemen will get a LT/hog mollie.  Willis is the latest projection, where he surrendered 1 sack and only 3.5 hurries in 2019.  Thomas is also possible, but Willis might be as good or better with probably less upside. And it is just like Gettlemen to defy common logic (Daniel Jones, for example, when Grier was available).  The best T in the draft is Wirfs, by the way, but he is known more to be a RT.  Daniel Jones needs to be on his feet to save face for GMan.

Miami:  Via trade or sitting still, Tua is the pick.  The only shocker that changes this is if Detroit takes him (or a team takes him in Detroit's slot--via trade)

LA Chargers:  The Chargers have always be the exception to the rule---they have had a franchise qb for 20 years and still disappoint every year.  Rivers is likely gone in LA, and even if not, the 39-year old father of 32 is likely to need an understudy.  If he is out, Herbert has to be the pick, even though I think he will bust.  If not, they take Thomas, OT.

Carolina:  Let's assume that the Chargers took Thomas.  That leaves the Panthers with some very interesting options:

1. Herbert, QB Oregon.  I know, right?  But maybe with Brady, they feel they can do something with this raw talent. 

2. Brown, DT, Auburn.  There is a chance Detroit takes him, but if not, Brown fills a huge need.

3. Jeudy, WR.  Bama.  One of the best route runners ever to play college ball, Jeudy, Moore, and Sameul would be tough to defend.

4. Wirfs, OT, Iowa.  The best T in the draft, Wirfs can play LT, he just didn't.  Even if he is to be a RT, Moton to LG and keep developing Little (no, you have not seen enough to call him a bust--you need to understand OL development before saying dumb stuff)

I see us trading back if Tua is gone--unless they really like Herbert.  I also wonder if the Panthers do not think Fromm's downfall is fixable, and Brady could turn him into a stud QB.

 

Fromm is interesting.  I do think there is a chance Brady falls in love with a Herbert or Love because of how he just helped improve Burrow.  They both have all the tools you can ask for.  

Still wish we could find a way to get Tua personally.

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, stan786 said:

Fromm is interesting.  I do think there is a chance Brady falls in love with a Herbert or Love because of how he just helped improve Burrow.  They both have all the tools you can ask for.  

Still wish we could find a way to get Tua personally.

I have seen him slipping in some mocks, but the QBs tend to rise to the top on draft day--Trubiski -style.  With Cincy, Miami, and the Chargers, it is possible that three quarterbacks go in the top 6.

I cannot get the idea of Fromm/Brady out of my head.  We could move back in the draft and add a few picks and walk away with a top QB suffering from a systemic or mental slump. If I were a QB whisperer, that is what I would pray for.

[Real1zOnly]

How did this thread make it to 15 pages?

 

My goodness people there is a 0% chance the Bengals even entertain trading the #1 pick. There is nothing to discuss here, stop playing Madden and be an adult for once.

[stan786]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have seen him slipping in some mocks, but the QBs tend to rise to the top on draft day--Trubiski -style.  With Cincy, Miami, and the Chargers, it is possible that three quarterbacks go in the top 6.

I cannot get the idea of Fromm/Brady out of my head.  We could move back in the draft and add a few picks and walk away with a top QB suffering from a systemic or mental slump. If I were a QB whisperer, that is what I would pray for.

Yeah the Fromm Brady duo in theory is pretty compelling i'll give you that.  Overall ceiling with arm strength is a little worrisome but we have a team built for YAC and Brady could have a lot of fun with that.

[joemac]

Anybody got a list of the Free Agent vet QB's out there?  I know Mariota and Winston....but is there anyone else worth giving a shot too, especially with our newly found QB whisperer?  Personally I want the to do everything they can to keep Cam and give him a shot if hes healthy with our new regime....that may not be in the cards though.

[MHS831]

16 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Granted this class is kind of meh. 

To move up for Tua wouldn't break the bank that badly which is a plus. 

Agree on both counts.  At the beginning of the year we were looking at about 5 first rounders and that did not include Burrow.  Tua, Jalen, Herbert, Fromm, and maybe Eason with Love on the fringe--it looked like the best QB draft since 1983. 

Then "meh" happened.  Tua gets hurt, and Hurt can't read (a defense); Herbert makes bad decisions and Fromm's weakish arm sent him into a shell.  Eason and Love were far from consistent, but pass the eyeball test better than the football.