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Should the Panthers go all in on Joe Burrow?

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2 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

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Look at this chart and tell me how you would trade for that #1 pick. Then ask if it would be worth it? Then ask if you're hindering yourself in the future? Can you build around Burrow with no first round pick in the next couple of years?

A lot of that depends on the new staff's evaluation of guys like Greg Little, Dennis Daley, Brian Burns, etc.

We all assume the roster is a giant dumpster fire, but who knows? Rhule and his staff have made their living coaching up lesser talent and winning a lot of games with them.

I don't think that Little/Daley are the answer to the left side of our OL, but damn it sure would be nice if they were.

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1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

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Look at this chart and tell me how you would trade for that #1 pick. Then ask if it would be worth it? Then ask if you're hindering yourself in the future? Can you build around Burrow with no first round pick in the next couple of years?

I wouldn’t be scared to move our first next year if we feel one of these QBs is the guy we want to build around, and Teams have done similar moves very successfully in the past. If he’s your guy you go get him. So I’ll happily support us if we decide to take our shot.  Though I still don’t think Cincy is moving their pick and our only play would have to be from 7 to 3 for Tua, which is a decent amount cheaper but it’s clear the Hip is a worry. 

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of that depends on the new staff's evaluation of guys like Greg Little, Dennis Daley, Brian Burns, etc.

We all assume the roster is a giant dumpster fire, but who knows? Rhule and his staff have made their living coaching up lesser talent and winning a lot of games with them.

I don't think that Little/Daley are the answer to the left side of our OL, but damn it sure would be nice if they were.

If we draft Andrew Thomas, I think Little or Daley could probably play decent on the right side. Then Moton could move to Guard and hopefully outperform Van Roten. However, you still have Paradis at Center, who was absolutely atrocious. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of that depends on the new staff's evaluation of guys like Greg Little, Dennis Daley, Brian Burns, etc.

We all assume the roster is a giant dumpster fire, but who knows? Rhule and his staff have made their living coaching up lesser talent and winning a lot of games with them.

I don't think that Little/Daley are the answer to the left side of our OL, but damn it sure would be nice if they were.

Granted a lot of the offensive woes can be fixed with 3 step passes, movements, schemes, etc. Which I think will be helped a lot with Brady as OC, but we can't deny there's a little bit of talent with Daley/Little. A lot of that bad play could be chalked up to them being rookies and horrible play calling, oh and the injury thing. Can't deny the injuries but I'd hate to give up this years first, second, possibly next years first and second AND Cam for Burrow and not have a way to build around him until 3 years down the line in his 5 year rookie deal. Also turning him into damaged goods. 

 

You can make the argument either way. I just don't think that giving up all those picks for Burrow and hindering the rebuild process because of not having picks in the future is the smart way of doing things. Unless they go hard in FA, but that brings up the Cap issues we're gonna have. I don't know. If they have a good plan I am all for it. Give up the farm for him. 

Technically you need 3k points to swap picks. That's this years first (1500), second (510), next years first (xxxx), and Cam to the bengals, but the bengals have all the leverage here, they could want more and it would be warranted. You could be looking at this years and next years first and seconds maybe even thirds AND Cam. So I don't know. It's a dicey situation. 

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4 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I wouldn’t be scared to move our first next year if we feel one of these QBs is the guy we want to build around, and Teams have done similar moves very successfully in the past. If he’s your guy you go get him. So I’ll happily support us if we decide to take our shot.  Though I still don’t think Cincy is moving their pick and our only play would have to be from 7 to 3 for Tua, which is a decent amount cheaper but it’s clear the Hip is a worry. 

Tepper has been fearless. Which is why I think this is really a possibility. It's in the realm of being one of their plans and possibilities. The thing is how much will it cost? The Bengals have no reason to move from that spot. They have to be enticed to move from that spot. IF they do want to move, they would have to look at the offers. I am sure there will be more offers coming from other QB needy teams. The intriguing part is that we have Cam. If they make a trade WITH Cam in the mix. That could sway them, they get a vet QB, we get a QB this Regime wants. Of course you could argue that Burrow at this point has more upside than a 30 yo Cam Newton. There's so many variables man. lol

 

More than likely, Cincy will not move from that spot, if they do, I'd be hella shocked. 

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23 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

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Look at this chart and tell me how you would trade for that #1 pick. Then ask if it would be worth it? Then ask if you're hindering yourself in the future? Can you build around Burrow with no first round pick in the next couple of years?

Moving up to 4 for Tua is more realistic... plus Gettleman can be had.

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7 hours ago, hanklee89 said:

The difference is Tua is what, 21? And he doesn't have a decade's worth of hits on him. Personally, I don't think I'd trade a ton for Tua, but if you could get up to No. 5 and not sell the farm, it's worth considering. The problem with that is you lose trade value in Cam because teams would just wait out the last year of his contract (assuming you don't cut him).  

I think the difference from the teams perspective is age and cost when factoring in injury risk.  They both have the same risk for another injury.  It comes down to which one you feel gives you the greatest reward and for how long if it pans out.

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Just now, Kuechly&Moore said:

Moving up to 4 for Tua is more realistic... plus Gettleman can be had.

If Tua wasn't injured, or better yet, if Tua did not have that specific injury. I'd be all for it. Right now, I wouldn't touch Tua at all. If, this is a huge huge IF, he passes all exams and is healthy. Sure, I don't see a problem with that. Other than Burrow, Tua is the next best QB in this class. Granted this class is kind of meh. 

To move up for Tua wouldn't break the bank that badly which is a plus. 

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1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

If Tua wasn't injured, or better yet, if Tua did not have that specific injury. I'd be all for it. Right now, I wouldn't touch Tua at all. If, this is a huge huge IF, he passes all exams and is healthy. Sure, I don't see a problem with that. Other than Burrow, Tua is the next best QB in this class. Granted this class is kind of meh. 

To move up for Tua wouldn't break the bank that badly which is a plus. 

Hes just 21 years old I also question his health at the moment but if all signs are a go it has to be at least a consideration....

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2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Again, we are stupid if we trade next year’s first. We aren’t a good team as much as the eternal optimists think. If we are trading up the Cam’s gone and unless the QB turns into a first year stud we are giving up way too much, especially since we can move on from Cam and have a better chance at two potentially better QBs. 

 

Reality is a harsh thing, but yes. I agree. This team is more than just one player away from being competitive next year, hell the next couple of years. Honestly the game plan should be to go through the growing pains of a rebuild, Around 2-3 years, then come back stronger and build around the QB you choose. Whether it's Cam or some new guy in the first round of next year or the next. It's a hard pill to swallow but that's the most sensible thing to do. Evaluate what you have and what you can build around, identify your guy, build around him. Don't mortage your future draft picks away in the process. 

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I would be. We are insane to move next year’s pick. Based on the roster today and signs of moving on from Cam, that pick could very well be the #1 pick. We are at #7 this year and we’ve gotten worse personnel wise.

Depends what you can do with our cap space there is a lot of offseason to go and moves to be made, Cam could help us pick up some more draft capital if we did move up for a rookie without him in the deal.  

Also good coaching also goes a way with winning. Look at the dolphins this year a horrid roster but they were able to make moves at the end of the year and won a number of games.  It’s hard to get the number one pick with decent coaching, and we are all hoping Rhule is a good coach.

I’m pretty confident we can at least match our record this year with what we have this year just with stability and coaching.  I also think getting Brady a QB to develop quickly isn’t the worst strategy. 

Yes things aren’t wonderful but bad teams have turned around pretty quickly before, if trading up for a QB is the way we want to go I’ll be excited to watch.

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1 minute ago, Kuechly&Moore said:

Hes just 21 years old I also question his health at the moment but if all signs are a go it has to be at least a consideration....

If he was never injured, the playoff picture would've been wildly different and we may be talking about Burrow going off the board after him.  Not directed at you but it seems people are forgetting how highly touted he was and should still be when he clears. 

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