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Cincy can have burrow

RumHam

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11 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

 

Hahahahaha this is hilarious y’all drunk posting I see. How can someone with that accuracy, pocket escapability, and touch on throws all over the field from different throwing positions be a product of anything but pure talent. Do y’all watch football have you seen the clutch throws he’s made when he had to have it. Wasn’t a system in sight when he dropped that dime after looking off the safety for their first touchdown. Don’t discredit the man to make a silly point. Trevor May be a better prospect but Burrow is right now best QB option I thought Tua but health is key and Tua has a lot of healing to do. 

I'm probably going to have to eat my words but I don't see what other people see in Tua.  Sure he does great with a clean pocket and open receivers, but doesn't everybody?

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3 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

I'm probably going to have to eat my words but I don't see what other people see in Tua.  Sure he does great with a clean pocket and open receivers, but doesn't everybody?

I don't. 

33 TDs and 3 Ints.  I worry that he might be injury prone

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2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Yeah, Joe Brady is throwing the ball for him. He's also the  receivers coach so he's doing all the work for Ja'Marr Chase too.

 

I don't think there is any way to deny the fact that the new system and scheme has greatly helped Burrow out. He had Marshall, Chase and Jefferson to throw to last year. He had Edwards-Helaire last year. So he had the same talent around him offensively and had a completion % under 60. One year of growth typically doesn't increase your accuracy by over 20% in one offseason. Its unheard of. 

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56 minutes ago, Varking said:

I don't think there is any way to deny the fact that the new system and scheme has greatly helped Burrow out. He had Marshall, Chase and Jefferson to throw to last year. He had Edwards-Helaire last year. So he had the same talent around him offensively and had a completion % under 60. One year of growth typically doesn't increase your accuracy by over 20% in one offseason. Its unheard of. 

Right player, right scheme.  People are over thinking it.  

I do think Burrow is what we saw this year.  It's not like he was throwing to wide open receivers from a clean pocket all the time.  He showed amazing escapability in the pocket as well as the ability to throw a highly accurate ball.  And his awareness and accuracy on the run was spectacular, and will without a doubt translate.  He also made the right decisions almost every time, which shows he has a very high football IQ.  

With that said, the scheme was instrumental in him developing like he did.  It gave him a structure that he had not had previously.  And his skillset fit that structure perfectly.  To give some context, Tom Brady wasn't anything special at Michigan.  His numbers were pretty pedestrian.  But now most call him one of, if not the, greatest QB ever.  So, when he took over in NE when Bledsoe got injured, Belichick could have easily played it safe and ran more of a run-first offense or some other simple scheme to limit the pressure on the QB.  And if that happened, we may have never had a chance to see the talent Brady brought to the table.

So yes, being in the right scheme for your skillset absolutely matters, and that's a big reason Burrow exploded this year.  He was finally put in a situation to let him maximize his ability...that, and he also worked his ass off.  The thing is that even last year he showed glimpses of this talent...he had moments, but the offense wasn't designed to maximize what he does well like this year's offense.      

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1 hour ago, Woodie said:

Right player, right scheme.  People are over thinking it.  

I do think Burrow is what we saw this year.  It's not like he was throwing to wide open receivers from a clean pocket all the time.  He showed amazing escapability in the pocket as well as the ability to throw a highly accurate ball.  And his awareness and accuracy on the run was spectacular, and will without a doubt translate.  He also made the right decisions almost every time, which shows he has a very high football IQ.  

With that said, the scheme was instrumental in him developing like he did.  It gave him a structure that he had not had previously.  And his skillset fit that structure perfectly.  To give some context, Tom Brady wasn't anything special at Michigan.  His numbers were pretty pedestrian.  But now most call him one of, if not the, greatest QB ever.  So, when he took over in NE when Bledsoe got injured, Belichick could have easily played it safe and ran more of a run-first offense or some other simple scheme to limit the pressure on the QB.  And if that happened, we may have never had a chance to see the talent Brady brought to the table.

So yes, being in the right scheme for your skillset absolutely matters, and that's a big reason Burrow exploded this year.  He was finally put in a situation to let him maximize his ability...that, and he also worked his ass off.  The thing is that even last year he showed glimpses of this talent...he had moments, but the offense wasn't designed to maximize what he does well like this year's offense.      

Yeah, I think in almost all cases it's a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Sure, the new scheme dramatically helped Burrow but then again, the old scheme was straight out of 1980s NFL football. It was beyond a dated concept. No QB would've shined in that system. Also, despite the scheme dramatically helping him, it's not like he was standing in a perfect pocket throwing to constantly wide open receivers. Dude was pressured. He made a ton of tough throws into tight coverage and throws on the move escaping pressure.

It's human nature to try to figure out the primary factor behind something, but in this case I honestly think it might be both. Burrow might be a very legit QB and Joe Brady may be an offensive genius. 

 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's human nature to try to figure out the primary factor behind something, but in this case I honestly think it might be both. Burrow might be a very legit QB and Joe Brady may be an offensive genius. 

Which of course leads people to the next logical step in their respective careers.

Probably not going to happen, but you can't blame people for thinking it.

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