National Championship

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Irrelevant.  

Based on that criteria, Clemson should have lost last year to Alabama.  Better team is the better team, the conference they come from is mostly irrlevant.  

Yep, Clemson should of lost every year when the entered the CFP based on that logic. 

Instead, they have the most wins and championships in the CFP era 

and Clemson, Ohio St and Bama will be the 3 favored teams to return next year 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, blackcat said:

Bottom line is Clemson played a superior opponent, who's been tested all season playing ranked teams.  Clemson is very talented, but when you're playing in the ACC, you're not going to get tested like you would the SEC.  Not pitting conferences against each other, just saying that LSU was ready for a test, Clemson's first test was 2 weeks ago.

And Clemson passed that test. Let's not forget they also survived an OT game against UNC and before you laugh at UNC's W-L record, realize that every game they lost was a one possession game.

Forget conferences. LSU was just the best team in college football this year and they would've been regardless of the conference they played in. Hell, Joe Burrow may have had 100 TDs in the Big 12 or Pac 12 and I'm only partially joking.

[blackcat]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And Clemson passed that test. Let's not forget they also survived an OT game against UNC and before you laugh at UNC's W-L record, realize that every game they lost was a one possession game.

Forget conferences. LSU was just the best team in college football this year and they would've been regardless of the conference they played in. Hell, Joe Burrow may have had 100 TDs in the Big 12 or Pac 12 and I'm only partially joking.

You might be right on the 100 TDs.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

on a neutral field? 3 games? I'd say LSU probably wins 2 of 3.  

I don't think the conferences they play in really alters that.  Just a matter of which team is having a good day and how you matchup vs your opponent.  

I mean that narrative? of LSU was ready because of the SEC and Clemson wasn't because of the ACC? is a narrative that has been trotted out for the last 5 conservatives years entering the CFP.   It is proven untrue by Clemson's success in the CFP the last 5 years. 

But does Clemson have a better chance to make the title game because they play in the ACC?

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

But does Clemson have a better chance to make the title game because they play in the ACC?

Two ways to look at it. It might be easier to go undefeated, but they don't get a mulligan. If they don't go undefeated they don't get in. The #1 overall seed this year was a HUGE deal. With all due respect to OU, it seemed pretty obvious to me that LSU, Clemson and OSU were head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

[Varking]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Two ways to look at it. It might be easier to go undefeated, but they don't get a mulligan. If they don't go undefeated they don't get in. The #1 overall seed this year was a HUGE deal. With all due respect to OU, it seemed pretty obvious to me that LSU, Clemson and OSU were head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

You have been a solid voice of reason in this thread and its hard to argue against most of what you say. Well done being a quality contributor here. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

But does Clemson have a better chance to make the title game because they play in the ACC?

yes and no.  Depends on the year.  This year isn’t representative of every year of the past and future.   

I mean I can cherry pick a Alabama year that was a relative cakewalk too.  

But Clemson could in theory go undefeated and not make it.  They were 3rd as undefeated defending champs.  So it frankly can work against them as much as helps.