Browns to hire Vikings’ OC Kevin Stefanski for their HC

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's not exactly a whole lot of history to suggest that the Panthers make good decisions either.

The Panthers as an organization have accomplished a lot more than McD as a head coach. All he managed to do was gut an organization, gut a roster, and get fired while cheating mid-way through his second season in an effort that would ultimately yield a four win season. Yikes.

[YoungPanthers89]

36 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I'll quote what I said in the other thread

Tepper made a huge mistake hiring Rhule over Stefanski

Not a good look when Haslam is making better decisions than you (although it was really DePodesta, who had previously recommended Sean McDermott)

Stefanski will be a great coach

We passed over this guy for another Rivera.   I wonder how many years of losing Tepper is going to have to endure to actually take analytics seriously instead of just tossing it around.

 

I'm taking Tepper's hiring skills over a guy called Bobo on an internet forum

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think it matters if he spurned the Colts.  There was a clear misunderstanding on if he'd get to appoint his own coordinators/other coaches, he hadn't even inked anything, and the Patriots made a huge counter-offer.  I would bet this happens all the time, where one side gets cold feet; the Colts just jumped the gun since it was a 'new guy' in charge of the process.

I certainly don't think it helped endear him to anyone as a candidate.

[mav1234]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I certainly don't think it helped endear him to anyone as a candidate.

Likely not, particularly when you are dealing with massively wealthy, egotistical individuals, but I don't blame McDaniels for the situation.  I agree his term in Denver was a fuging disaster and any actual hiring of him would be more than a little bit scary, haha.  But I dislike that in our case we didn't even go through with interviews.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I certainly don't think it helped endear him to anyone as a candidate.

Three of the five teams that had a head coaching opening asked to interview him.

It doesn't sound like it was that big a deal.

[Sgt Schultz]

4 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Well, it depends what you consider evidence.  His statements suggest he has changed.  I don't consider the Colts/Broncos situations similar personally.  I do not know if McDaniels really has learned from his mistakes, but a lot of his statements, and the statements of his players and other Patriots coaches, suggest he has.  Time may tell.

For me, I wasn't particularly enamored with McDaniels, I was just frustrated we didn't follow through on our other interviews.

Edit: Also confused by Tepper's description of the ... courting of Rhule.  Just sounds like Hurney is building the team completely now.

The problem with listening to statements from the Pats is that McDaniels had a safety net under him.  Perhaps two.  Their names, in order, were Belichick and Brady.  He flat out was not going to be in a situation to go off the rails again.

If you are McDaniels, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand what the prevailing knock on you is.  To go in and ask to create the very same situation that most believe facilitated the meltdown in Denver shows he has not learned much.

We are talking about a guy who has shown his flashes of brilliance in one organization, under one head coach, and with essentially one QB.  Whatever good will he earned from Brady missing almost all of 2008 was burned and then some by 2009 and 2010. 

If the Browns do indeed pass on him, it certainly looks like nobody in the NFL, other than maybe the Pats, wants to be the beta test site to see if the guy has actually learned one thing about the type of leadership it takes to be an NFL HC.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Likely not, particularly when you are dealing with massively wealthy, egotistical individuals, but I don't blame McDaniels for the situation.  I agree his term in Denver was a fuging disaster and any actual hiring of him would be more than a little bit scary, haha.  But I dislike that in our case we didn't even go through with interviews.

I think we dodged Lane Kiffin v. 2.0. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Three of the five teams that had a head coaching opening asked to interview him.

It doesn't sound like it was that big a deal.

How many actually did? I think it was just the Browns, wasn't it?

[mav1234]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we dodged Lane Kiffin v. 2.0. 

Funny you choose a total wash of a college-to-NFL coach - because that is my concern, although at least Rhule has more experience building programs.

As an aside, wasn't that situation somehow related to JaMarcus Russell too? I don't recall circumstances but I remember feeling that the whole Kiffin ordeal was a lot more complicated.

I honestly am not in love with McDaniels and do not mind passing on him.  I am far more concerned with the way that the hiring was described and the way the process went down than on who was ultimately selected.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How many actually did? I think it was just the Browns, wasn't it?

And to your point, the Giants even chose a different Patriots coach over him... 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How many actually did? I think it was just the Browns, wasn't it?

The Browns, Giants and Panthers all asked for interviews.

Even after the Rhule hire, Rapoport confirmed that McDaniels was one of our top two targets.

Had he interviewed first, who knows what might have happened?

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

The Browns, Giants and Panthers all asked for interviews.

Even after the Rhule hire, Rapoport confirmed that McDaniels was one of our top two targets.

Had he interviewed first, who knows what might have happened?

So... just the Browns, right? The best organization in all of pro sports.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I honestly am not in love with McDaniels and do not mind passing on him.  I am far more concerned with the way that the hiring was described and the way the process went down than on who was ultimately selected.

Again, total agreement.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So... just the Browns, right? The best organization in all of pro sports.

And one that has a better winning record than us over the past two years.