Holy Cow Our Dline Situation.. How the fug Do We Fix This??

[Hoenheim]

Lot of free agents. Way too much money tied up into KK and Poe. I see alot of dudes in their 30s. 

What do you predict the Panthers will do about this? What would you do if you were GM? (two different questions)

Here's some info (age is player age by the time 2020 season starts)  [Cap hit in 2020] 

I did include pass rushing OLBs as DEs as well . Let me know if im missing people. 

• Kawann Short DT : (31)  [20 Million]
• Dontari Poe DT :  (30) [13 Million ]
• Efe Obada DE : (29) [660,000] 
• Mario Addison DE : (32) [500,000]
• Brian Burns DE : (22) [3 Million] 
• Christian Milller DE : 24 [768,000]
• Vernon Butler DT: (26)  [Free Agent] 
• Gerald McCoy DT  : (32) [Free Agent]
• Kyle Love DT : (33) [Free Agent] 
• Wes Horton DE : (30) [Free Agent]
• Bruce Irvin DE : (33) [Free Agent] 

I can see why like 80% of mock drafts have us selecting Derrick Brown DT Auburn. Our DT situation is pretty bleak and needs some serious infusion of youth and talent. We cant just rely on a still very young Burns to be our primary pass rusher. 

IMO you can't keep both Poe and Short, you can NOT have 33 million dollars of your cap in 2 aging DTs its unacceptable. 

I know Butler had that crazy episode this year but he did well production wise, and most notably hes the one young DT we have on the roster . Would he be worth resigning for a reasonable deal? I don't think he'll get massive offers based off 1 year of production. 

[WarPanthers89]

[Hoenheim]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

This is a fuging mess and I dont even know where to start...

[chknwing]

u cut Poe.  will save $9 million

[WarPanthers89]

I think we go heavy defense in the draft after round one. If Derrick Brown is available you have to go with him, but I bet he’s gone and we go OT with round one. We really aren’t that bad if we get a stud LT and  Little as backup LT for three more years, Daley at LG (who could excel) and our offense will be okay. I also think we must re sign Bradberry, sign one FA space eater, and draft DT and DE in rounds 2-4 along with a center to groom behind Paradis who will be our starter at least one more year due to his contract. 

[Davidson Deac II]

If we cut Poe, it saves around 9 million in cap space.  Not saying we will cut him, but its probably something being considered.  

[chknwing]

hey then...

Carolina is in full rebuilding mode.  Trading away assets that have value now makes sense.  Trade Cam newton for a 2020 2nd round pick.  Trade Luke Kuechly for a 2020 2nd round pick.  package #7 and a 2nd to move up and take Burrow.  you now have 2 remaining 2nd rounders to pick up OT/OG or even move back into the 1st round.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

If we cut Poe, it saves around 9 million in cap space.  Not saying we will cut him, but its probably something being considered.  

The question with that move is, is there a DT available as a FA for less than the 9 million in savings that you think will be better than Poe?

If yes than cut, if no, suck it up and fix other things now and worry about his replacement later. This team has too many holes to burn a high draft pick it sorely needs to spend fixing the o line on a position that primarily stops the run.

If whoever who start at qb next year has to do so behind the same line we trotted out this year, whether that is Cam or a rookie, there will be long term consequences to that players health and/or development. If we suck against the run next year, oh well, we sucked against the run in a year in which no one expected us to be good. Still fixable in next years draft.

[GoPanthers123]

Cut all the DE free agents, keep Butler and look for good DTs in the draft. 

[Hoenheim]

2 minutes ago, chknwing said:

hey then...

Carolina is in full rebuilding mode.  Trading away assets that have value now makes sense.  Trade Cam newton for a 2020 2nd round pick.  Trade Luke Kuechly for a 2020 2nd round pick.  package #7 and a 2nd to move up and take Burrow.  you now have 2 remaining 2nd rounders to pick up OT/OG or even move back into the 1st round.

would take way more than pick 7 and 2nd rounder to vault all the way up to the first pick in the draft

That 2nd rounder is probably meaningless to the Bengals 

[Jon Snow]

17 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

This is a fuging mess and I dont even know where to start...

Marty Hurney.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

would take way more than pick 7 and 2nd rounder to vault all the way up to the first pick in the draft

That 2nd rounder is probably meaningless to the Bengals 

Yeah draft value chart says top pick worth 3000, 7th pick worth 1500. Top pick of 2nd round worth 580, so about a third of the value difference.

[Toomers]

27 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Ah, duh. There's a reason why I have been beating the drum the past two years for interior OL and last draft for interior DL instead of spending great picks on projects that don't play at all and gigantic reaches when a Ryan Kalil plug and play replacement for 10 years is staring you right in your ugly ass face (not you you, you know who you). It's why I haven't really liked Marty's drafts other than Burns, Moore and Thomas (he was talked about pre-draft).

We had two drafts to replace Kalil and Norwell and find 2020 replacements for Poe and Short and we did nothing.

  Ahhh yes. Those wonderful days predicting this exact scenario as our draft picks went towards trading up, backup QBs that weren’t ready, unathletic DBs, RBs that wound up in witness protection, and redundant scheme specific OLBs. Good to have those positions locked down. 
 

   When reality was treated as negatively because people just don’t want it to be true. 

[WarPanthers89]

16 minutes ago, chknwing said:

hey then...

Carolina is in full rebuilding mode.  Trading away assets that have value now makes sense.  Trade Cam newton for a 2020 2nd round pick.  Trade Luke Kuechly for a 2020 2nd round pick.  package #7 and a 2nd to move up and take Burrow.  you now have 2 remaining 2nd rounders to pick up OT/OG or even move back into the 1st round.

Falcons traded Sanu for a 2nd round pick... and you think we trade Cam Newton and Luke for a 2nd...seems legit,