ratings for all Carolina Panthers offensive players, per Pro Football Focus

[raleigh-panther]

Shared previously and will share as often as possible.  If the Panthers do not go get a generational LT in this draft, when they are in position to take one, when alol the stars tell them they need to, it’s time to throw in the towel as no QB can take this beating.  

led in sacks and does not include hurries, knockdowns etc 

OT is time to find the next Jordan Gross and forget about the position for 10 years   Keep Little as a backup  two concussions in 3 weeks tells the tale with him   Not his fault, just a fact

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Shared previously and will share as often as possible.  If the Panthers do not go get a generational LT in this draft, when they are in position to take one, when alol the stars tell them they need to, it’s time to throw in the towel as no QB can take this beating.  

led in sacks and does not include hurries, knockdowns etc 

OT is time to find the next Jordan Gross and forget about the position for 10 years   Keep Little as a backup  two concussions in 3 weeks tells the tale with him   Not his fault, just a fact

I'm all for grabbing a LT if the athletic freak of nature that can handle today's speed rushers is there but is he? Also out of those 58 sacks how many were from the left side? Would love to see a breakdown from someone who has PFF but then there's the question of wich were their faults and all the other things that make LT an almost impossible situation akin to landing a franchise QB.

[45catfan]

Left tackle has to be the pick at #7.  Until our OL gets fixed, this team will be bad.  Blocking sets everything up.  Imagine CMCs stats if we could have ran an effective screen play this season!  Those guys setting up blocks on a screen play looks something akin to keystone cops after smoking a doobie and drinking a case of beer.  They suck at in-line blocking, so they are supposed to block in space, lol?

It starts up front.  No reason to overthink this.

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Left tackle has to be the pick at #7.  Until our OL gets fixed, this team will be bad.  Blocking sets everything up.  Imagine CMCs stats if we could have ran an effective screen play this season!  Those guys setting up blocks on a screen play looks something akin to keystone cops after smoking a doobie and drinking a case of beer.  They suck at in-line blocking, so they are supposed to block in space, lol?

It starts up front.  No reason to overthink this.

So if there is a guy that will pretty much fix our defense at 7 sitting there and a guy that could fix one position on the OL and either could bust....(imo olineman bust higher but maybe the Luke Joekel ect draft has me traumatized) you go olineman everytime? This is a situation you think long and hard about......

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm fine with either a OL or a DL, but give me a damn lineman one way or the other. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Matt62881 said:

So if there is a guy that will pretty much fix our defense at 7 sitting there and a guy that could fix one position on the OL and either could bust....(imo olineman bust higher but maybe the Luke Joekel ect draft has me traumatized) you go olineman everytime? This is a situation you think long and hard about......

To me an OT trumps a DT every time.  I know people are pounding the table for Brown, but truth is it's easier to find a JAG DT to play effectively than an JAG OT.  Kyle Love is a perfect example.  Outside of Andrew Norwell, our best OL players have been high draft selections like Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil and Trai Turner.

Now if a stud DE is available, I would consider that position over an OT, but not a DT.  

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

To me an OT trumps a DT every time.  I know people are pounding the table for Brown, but truth is it's easier to find a JAG DT to play effectively than an JAG OT.  Kyle Love is a perfect example.  Outside of Andrew Norwell, our best OL players have been high draft selections like Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil and Trai Turner.

Now if a stud DE is available, I would consider that position over an OT, but not a DT.  

Only one of those guys you listed was a 1st round pick.

We desperately need to upgrade both lines. I'm all for taking the best lineman available. I wouldn't pass on a stud DT to draft an inferior prospect at OT.

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Only one of those guys you listed was a 1st round pick.

We desperately need to upgrade both lines. I'm all for taking the best lineman available. I wouldn't pass on a stud DT to draft an inferior prospect at OT.

Just switching back to a 4-3 alone will make our defense better.  It was a stupid move, an ill-fit scheme for our personnel.  Having that extra down lineman keeping Luke clean will work wonders in the run defense.  It doesn't have to be a top 10 pick to accomplish that, IMO.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Only one of those guys you listed was a 1st round pick.

We desperately need to upgrade both lines. I'm all for taking the best lineman available. I wouldn't pass on a stud DT to draft an inferior prospect at OT.

This is the ONLY point. We are talking about two specific players we hope fall to us. Even one. But there is a gap to the next guy at each position(especially DT) to decide you HAVE to take any position regardless of the player. 

[Matt62881]

14 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

To me an OT trumps a DT every time.  I know people are pounding the table for Brown, but truth is it's easier to find a JAG DT to play effectively than an JAG OT.  Kyle Love is a perfect example.  Outside of Andrew Norwell, our best OL players have been high draft selections like Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil and Trai Turner.

Now if a stud DE is available, I would consider that position over an OT, but not a DT.  

Brown can play 5 tech bro....and love was healthy during this atrocity of a run d. If hes not the guy I'm seeing as a guy that can play every position on the line then he wont go that high. On running downs I think brown can wreck their run schemes, on passing downs in the nascar package, I think he can wreck the qb, only reason the value is being put on him.

[Matt62881]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

This is the ONLY point. We are talking about two specific players we hope fall to us. Even one. But there is a gap to the next guy at each position(especially DT) to decide you HAVE to take any position regardless of the player. 

Only dt I'm interested in to this point is d brown, hes the only one with that value. All this being said pre combine of course.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Just switching back to a 4-3 alone will make our defense better.  It was a stupid move, an ill-fit scheme for our personnel.  Having that extra down lineman keeping Luke clean will work wonders in the run defense.  It doesn't have to be a top 10 pick to accomplish that, IMO.

What switch? We probably played 4 down linemen 90% of the time. We just tried to run a 4-3 with 3-4 DEs playing OLB and then all our DTs got hurt.

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What switch? We probably played 4 down linemen 90% of the time. We just tried to run a 4-3 with 3-4 DEs playing OLB and then all our DTs got hurt.

Lol this is exactly what happened I didn't have the stats to back it up so I didn't say it but after the injuries I saw a majority 43 front with a 34 sprinkle. Our issue was our DTs went down.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Brown can play 5 tech bro....and love was healthy during this atrocity of a run d. If hes not the guy I'm seeing as a guy that can play every position on the line then he wont go that high. On running downs I think brown can wreck their run schemes, on passing downs in the nascar package, I think he can wreck the qb, only reason the value is being put on him.

I get he's a good, versatile D-lineman BUT,  the OL has greater deficiencies.  If the OL wasn't a complete train wreck, I'd be in favor of Brown.  I can't justify it right now.

You will get your wish more than likely because Hurney never drafts the guys I like and he's not going to give up on his two young tackles from last draft no matter how pedestrian they looked.