Nepotism will torpedo the Matt Rhule era before it starts

[stan786]

There is a big difference in hiring everyone on a staff you just failed with and hiring coaches you have suceeded with over the last 6 years.

[yasuhara2241]

Every coach does this. They hire people they know and work well with. When starting a business most people hire people they know and have confidence in. I don't see the issue. 

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

The conversation at Rhule’s home that led to his hiring was a long one and obviously went really well. What your post brings up that makes me uneasy is did it include any discussion of how Rhule would approach hiring his staff?

If it did not, that should be a mark against Tepper and Hurney for not being thorough. If it did and Rhule said I’ll bring some of my guys from Baylor with me, I would hope there would have been a conversation about how they felt Rons habit of sticking with those he was familiar and comfortable with became part of the problem.

I have a not so great feeling this important part of the interview didn’t happen.

It did, but here's the deal. He's turned down interviews before because teams wanted to choose his assistants.  Hurney gave Rhule the ability to hire who he wants where he wants. One of the reasons he's the head coach now. 

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, hepcat said:

That's great, I agree that looks awesome. But, why was he never bumped up to the NFL? The guy is 64 years old. What gives? If he's hired as defensive coordinator I want that addressed. I get sometimes it doesn't work out because of timing or fit but, you'd think after FOUR DECADES as a coach he would have made it up to the pros as more than a positional coach on one of the worst teams in the history of football. 

You would have to ask if it was something he ever really wanted to revisit again until now. He obviously has the chops to create a solid defense with much lesser talent than their competition but maybe he just truly believes in Rhule as well. Some guys have that itch to want to be in the pro's and some don't. But again, about his time in Detroit, the linebackers were the only solid thing they had. The whole organization was a poo show. 

[PantherBrew]

11 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

Every coach does this. They hire people they know and work well with. When starting a business most people hire people they know and have confidence in. I don't see the issue. 

Yes, and it works like this at every level of football, including high school. 

[Khyber53]

New coaches bring in the guys they are comfortable with and can rely on. Bringing in a DC who has had excellent success on the college level isn't a bad decision, especially if it is a guy that Rhule knows has his back and can motivate players. Loyalty to the HC over the players is going to be important right out of the gate, especially considering how poorly the defense performed this past season and how there seemed to be no accountability, grit or even basic toughness. 

Want to knock around a bunch of overpaid, underperforming millionaire prima donnas? Bring in an old dude who gets results and could really care less who your checkbook says you are. The guy has dealt with a bunch of "stars" who performed poorly before and he can put that winless Detroit team on display and say, "Until you prove otherwise, those guys were tougher than you."

BTW, actual Nepotism is like say, Norv Turner coming here but stringing along Scott Turner as part of the package. In the end, neither was impressive. 

[therealmjl]

This is the type of bafoonery that I personally asked to be banned for.

get out bro there’s new Rhules here and no limit to where our new boy can take us

[hepcat]

4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

New coaches bring in the guys they are comfortable with and can rely on. Bringing in a DC who has had excellent success on the college level isn't a bad decision, especially if it is a guy that Rhule knows has his back and can motivate players. Loyalty to the HC over the players is going to be important right out of the gate, especially considering how poorly the defense performed this past season and how there seemed to be no accountability, grit or even basic toughness. 

Want to knock around a bunch of overpaid, underperforming millionaire prima donnas? Bring in an old dude who gets results and could really care less who your checkbook says you are. The guy has dealt with a bunch of "stars" who performed poorly before and he can put that winless Detroit team on display and say, "Until you prove otherwise, those guys were tougher than you."

BTW, actual Nepotism is like say, Norv Turner coming here but stringing along Scott Turner as part of the package. In the end, neither was impressive. 

Rivera had a bad case of hardcore nepotism. Richard Rodgers is a prime example.

[Carl Spackler]

21 minutes ago, NAS said:

Do you know what "nepotism" means? 

It's amazing how no one else thought the same thing upon reading the title.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Rivera had a bad case of hardcore nepotism. Richard Rodgers is a prime example.

Rivera isn't related to Richard Rodgers.

[electro's horse]

i will never forget how great that 2008 detroit lions team was

if only the linebackers had been better coached. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

25 minutes ago, Shaqil915 said:

You’re saying to think outside the box but you’re knocking the hiring of one of the best DCs in college football because he’s never had a legit opportunity in the NFL.

Rhule is not Rivera. Weather he is better or worse remains to be seen, but he doesn’t seem the type to hold on to ideals at the cost of winning.

Except...he does hold on to ideals at the cost of winning that was the whole point in him being hired here isn't it? He pretty much got the green light to have a few shitty years before his plan is expected to work. Which again goes back to the notion of trading/releasing Cam or choosing to retain him. No way this team competes without Cam Newton on the roster for the 2020 season. And yes, of course we don't know how this is going to play out but it does sound like we will not be a team looking to compete for a super bowl anytime soon under Rhule.

[MHS831]

Chemistry and trust are important.   The bit about not firing a coach or coordinator is concerning, but when has Rhule ever stopped growing as a coach?  He has never been in that situation--but they gave a 7-year contract to a man that has never been head coach for more than 3 at one location.   It will be interesting to see what he does if and when he needs to.

[hepcat]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Rivera isn't related to Richard Rodgers.

God damn it do I need to educate everyone on the definition of nepotism?