REPORT: Rapoport reports Baylor DC Phil Snow is expected to follow Panthers coach Matt Rhule to Carolina

[hepcat]

11 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I mean, do you put an awful season on the linebackers coach? Seems a bit much. Did he have any talent to work with at all?  Should any coach involved with an awful season be banned for life from the league?

No, but he should probably stay in the college ranks. 80% of his experience is in college as a position coach at lower tier schools. I don't think he will translate well to being an NFL defensive coordinator at the age of 64 if he hasn't been able to figure it out already. He is at retirement age and we think he's magically going to transform our defense? Sorry if I'm not optimistic. 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

No, but he should probably stay in the college ranks. 80% of his experience is in college as a position coach at lower tier schools. I don't think he will translate well to being an NFL defensive coordinator at the age of 64 if he hasn't been able to figure it out already. He is at retirement age and we think he's magically going to transform our defense? Sorry if I'm not optimistic. 

I see where your concern is coming from, particularly with Rhule saying he doesn’t fire coaches. Let’s hope if he doesn’t work out that bit about being retirement age proves useful.

[carpanfan96]

7 minutes ago, hepcat said:

No, but he should probably stay in the college ranks. 80% of his experience is in college as a position coach at lower tier schools. I don't think he will translate well to being an NFL defensive coordinator at the age of 64 if he hasn't been able to figure it out already. He is at retirement age and we think he's magically going to transform our defense? Sorry if I'm not optimistic. 

He's been a DC at like 7 schools or something.  Coached nearly every position on defense as well. 

These are the schools he was DC

Laney

UCLA

Washington 

Boise st

Arizona st

Eastern Michigan 

Temple

Baylor 

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20 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Phil Snow was the LBs coach for the 2008 Detroit Lions who went 0-16 

WTF are we doing with this guy

Head coach Rod Marinelli. QB to start the season was Jon bah gawd Kitna. The offense was literally the worst in the league by far. Of course the defense suffered.

By this logic, what are the Rams doing with the 2008 Detroit Lions Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry as their LB coach and assistant head coach?

[hepcat]

Just now, lightsout said:

Head coach Rod Marinelli. QB to start the season was Jon bah gawd Kitna. The offense was literally the worst in the league by far. Of course the defense suffered.

By this logic, what are the Rams doing with the 2008 Detroit Lions Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry as their LB coach and assistant head coach?

Uh the defensive coordinator of that team is now a position coach 12 years later? Color me shocked.

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

He's been a DC at like 7 schools or something.  Coached nearly every position on defense as well. 

I'm supposed to be encouraged by the fact the dude is a journeyman coach who has never been anything more than a position coach at the NFL level, on one of the worst teams in NFL history, by the age of 64?

This is a trash hire if he ends up being the defensive coordinator.

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Just now, hepcat said:

Uh the defensive coordinator of that team is now a position coach 12 years later? Color me shocked.

I'm supposed to be encouraged by the fact the dude is a journeyman coach who has never been anything more than a position coach at the NFL level, on one of the worst teams in NFL history, by the age of 64?

This is a trash hire if he ends up being the defensive coordinator.

And you didn't research.

Joe Barry was Lions DC 07-08. He was fired and worked every year after on different teams as a LB coach (what he did before the Lions hired him as DC). Washington made him DC from 2015-2016 and then he was hired by LA as assistant head coach.

By your logic, Joe Barry should never be a DC again. Except he's in the running for LA's DC spot right now.

[hepcat]

Just now, lightsout said:

And you didn't research.

Joe Barry was Lions DC 07-08. He was fired and worked every year after on different teams as a LB coach (what he did before the Lions hired him as DC). Washington made him DC from 2015-2016 and then he was hired by LA as assistant head coach.

By your logic, Joe Barry should never be a DC again. Except he's in the running for LA's DC spot right now.

What logic are you talking about. Snow has never been an NFL defensive coordinator. Becoming Panthers defensive coordinator is a promotion for him. What has he done to deserve that promotion other than work for the guy who became head coach at his last two stops?

Joe Barry hasn't received a promotion since being defensive coordinator for the Lions that year. It's not the same. Stop trying.

[carpanfan96]

12 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Uh the defensive coordinator of that team is now a position coach 12 years later? Color me shocked.

I'm supposed to be encouraged by the fact the dude is a journeyman coach who has never been anything more than a position coach at the NFL level, on one of the worst teams in NFL history, by the age of 64?

This is a trash hire if he ends up being the defensive coordinator.

Just because he's not coached a lot in the NFL doesn't make him a bad hire. 20+ years as a DC in college ranks with multiple top 10 defenses. 

Reason you dont see that jump or new coaching hires that often is because of the way the NFL is. 

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13 minutes ago, hepcat said:

What logic are you talking about. Snow has never been an NFL defensive coordinator. Becoming Panthers defensive coordinator is a promotion for him. What has he done to deserve that promotion other than work for the guy who became head coach at his last two stops?

Joe Barry hasn't received a promotion since being defensive coordinator for the Lions that year. It's not the same. Stop trying.

Joe Barry got hired as Redskins DC in '15.

I'm not saying it's the same. Snow hasn't been in the league since...but literally every defense he was DC for in college was a top unit within the conference and national levels far more years than they weren't.

We just disagree. I believe that I have verifiable stats and information on my side rather than the ESPN talking point of needing NFL experience to be successful as an NFL coach, but that's just the way I see it and your opinion. You have an indefensible opinion that Snow is this bad hire who isn't proven, in my eyes. No, he hasn't been an NFL coordinator. Every DC ever was once that. Again, I think Snow has preferred to stick with guys he likes and they've remained in college. 14 years with Bruce Snyder at Cal and Arizona State.

[hepcat]

Just now, lightsout said:

Joe Barry got hired as Redskins DC in '15.

I'm not saying it's the same. Snow hasn't been in the league since...but literally every defense he was DC for in college was a top unit within the conference and national levels far more years than they weren't.

We just disagree. I believe that I have verifiable stats and information on my side rather than the ESPN talking point of needing NFL experience to be successful as an NFL coach, but that's just the way I see it and your opinion. You have an indefensible opinion that Snow is this bad hire who isn't proven, in my eyes. No, he hasn't been an NFL coordinator. Every DC ever was once that. Again, I think Snow has preferred to stick with guys he likes and they've remained in college. 14 years with Bruce Snyder at Cal and Arizona State.

Look, I get it. He has had success in some of the places he has been. But to me, the hire stinks because I see it as more of the same as the last regime. Rivera always picked his bros first. He had Richard Rodgers on his staff for no other reason than they were college buddies. The guy had no justifiable place on an NFL coaching staff. Rivera needed to fire Eric Washington and now our current head coach says he never fires coaches. I'm nervous about that.

I just don't want to see this staff filled with Matt Rhule's bros and see the same old thing happen again. So far all we've seen reported is Rhule is filling the major positions of his staff with dudes he's comfortable with, and you're right, I don't like that.

Wade Phillips is available! One of the most successful defensive coordinators of all time. He just tutored Sean McVay. He could tutor Matt Rhule too. If he's interested that is. And there are other NFL coaches with a wealth of experience too.

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Just now, hepcat said:

Look, I get it. He has had success in some of the places he has been. But to me, the hire stinks because I see it as more of the same as the last regime. Rivera always picked his bros first. He had Richard Rodgers on his staff for no other reason than they were college buddies. The guy had no justifiable place on an NFL coaching staff. Rivera needed to fire Eric Washington and now our current head coach says he never fires coaches. I'm nervous about that.

I just don't want to see this staff filled with Matt Rhule's bros and see the same old thing happen again. So far all we've seen reported is Rhule is filling the major positions of his staff with dudes he's comfortable with, and you're right, I don't like that.

Wade Phillips is available! One of the most successful defensive coordinators of all time. He just tutored Sean McVay. He could tutor Matt Rhule too. If he's interested that is. And there are other NFL coaches with a wealth of experience too.

And I get that fear. But that's coaching, man. Idk if you've ever coached football at the high school level or higher, but it goes like this in terms of building a staff.

HC gets hired. He has experience coaching elsewhere and has built relationships on staffs he has been on as well as opposing staffs. He uses those connections and relationships to build his own staff. Those connections may have info on other coaches, which are then recommended to the HC for consideration. You get the point.

So yeah, HC tend to stick with people they know they work well with and trust. This is true at EVERY level (HS is a small exception, but even on HC that do change jobs across the state, they will beg a coordinator or assistant or two to try to move with them if they can). I'm OK with Snow coming, in whatever capacity Rhule wants. I think it is important to not be too rigid with demanding a coach get an experienced NFL guy in there. It can create issues with second guessing judgment calls and philosophy and it doesn't often help IMO.

I do not want Wade Phillips. Never really cared too much for his defenses in recent years but that's just my opinion.

[PantherBrew]

45 minutes ago, hepcat said:

What logic are you talking about. Snow has never been an NFL defensive coordinator. Becoming Panthers defensive coordinator is a promotion for him. What has he done to deserve that promotion other than work for the guy who became head coach at his last two stops?

Joe Barry hasn't received a promotion since being defensive coordinator for the Lions that year. It's not the same. Stop trying.

So you don't think Rhule's success has anything to do with the experienced DC that has gone with him in his last two spots. Anyone that can hold opponents to under 20 ppg in the Big 12 and ranked in the top 20 is someone who deserves to be promoted, the next ranked Big12 defense is Ok State at 61.  Impressive. 

Coach's dont hire guys they havent worked with. So much of building as staff requires trust and communication. 

[PurityControl]

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[Soul Rebel]

I don't think Snow could not succeed here, it's more FOMO for me watching these other Coaches hiring very talented NFL coordinators....

Rivera hires Del Rio

McCarthy - Nolan & Fassel are huge gets, and keeping Moore is a brilliant move

Judge is considering Kitchens and Garrett (neither are good HCs, but talented OCs)