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David Tepper: "Sometimes you have to tear things down to build them up"

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mav1234 Grand Master

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2 hours ago, TheRed said:

It isn't fair, but then again that's life and sports. Ask yourself why it's fine for some to forever link Cam to "0-8" despite anything else he's done in the past yet Luke isn't directly tied to the worst run defense the league has seen in years.

I mean there are plenty of posters suggesting to trade Luke, there were threads here all 2nd half of the year about how bad Luke was (despite being one of the best rated LBs in the league still)... so it isn't as if Luke has escaped some accountability in the minds of fans for that... but it isn't about his health etc like is being implied there, it is that fans just don't see his value anymore. IMO, that is the difference: Most fans see Cam as enormously valuable if he is happy.  But MLBs in the league today? Ehhh...

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Fire selling all your assets is not really a commitment to winning, it's a commitment to losing with an unsure outcome. We shouldn't trade Cam, we shouldn't trade Luke, we shouldn't trade CMC. Doing things like that, to go gamble in the NFL draft to try and replace them.....is a really quick way to get Bengals bad. 

I understand Tepper's point about needing to be patient during a rebuild but if tearing the core of the team apart prematurely is a part of that plan, it's not a good plan. 

I fully agree.

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I don't get this though. You don't HAVE to teardown to rebuild in the NFL, this isn't the NBA... You just have to keep your picks and draft really well..

The saint's had some lean years, but they never tore down, all they did was have one of the best draft classes of the last decade and then bam...they've been competing for the last 3 years... Baltimore certainly never tore down, they missed the playoffs maybe once or twice, but nothing drastic, but drafting with a little offensive innovation has turned things around... The closest example I can come to for a team that tore down and is now having success is the 49ers..., but even their rebuilding process only took 3 years... I'm not sure where this 5 year stuff comes from.

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14 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

so luke went through a period of injuries, he was given an opportunity to demonstrate his health, and it mostly worked out. hmmm

A key component of speculation Cam may be gone is the single year left on his contract.  That was never an issue during Luke's injury period.  But really, the time missed and timing is so completely different, the two can't be compared.  Cam unfortunately has not finished a season healthy in quite some time.  The only season Luke hasn't finished on the field at a high level was in 2016. But I think the bigger issue is the contract.  I do think that if Cam seems healthy and he is willing to play on a one year contract, he's back.  But since there is always a risk, and we are rebuilding, I understand speculation on trading him.  His situation is not similar to Luke's, though.

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3 hours ago, TheRed said:

Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks pretty unceremoniously moved on from the legion of boom and other popular players on defense. Now they're back in the playoffs after retooling only 4 years removed from getting destroyed by the Panthers in the NFC championship.

OK, somebody help me.  I'm on a business trip and been hitting the sauce pretty hard when not working.  When did we destroy the Seahawks in the NFC championship game?  Did I manage to kill the brain cells that held that memory?

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13 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

A key component of speculation Cam may be gone is the single year left on his contract.  That was never an issue during Luke's injury period.  But really, the time missed and timing is so completely different, the two can't be compared.  Cam unfortunately has not finished a season healthy in quite some time.  The only season Luke hasn't finished on the field at a high level was in 2016. But I think the bigger issue is the contract.  I do think that if Cam seems healthy and he is willing to play on a one year contract, he's back. 

there’s an elephant in the room here: cam is significantly more valuable. luke doesn’t really move the needle. he’s a great complimentary piece but his value is limited by his position. it would have been much easier to shove luke out the door after his injuries, but that wasn’t ever really part of the discussion. if luke’s contract status is supposed to factor in then their actual values should be considered as well. can’t compare the two there.  it’s no contest.

also cam wasn’t afforded opportunities to heal up and finish the season healthy so, using your words, his situation is not similar to luke’s. luke was treated with kid gloves. the coaches knew who they could win without and who they couldn’t. so kuechly gets to recover from injuries while cam’s injuries linger. and of course cam is the one who gets labeled “injury prone” and faces speculation that his injuries are chronic.

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But since there is always a risk, and we are rebuilding, I understand speculation on trading him.  His situation is not similar to Luke's, though.

why keep luke if we’re rebuilding? why do you “understand speculation” with cam but not luke? he’s worthless if we’re rebuilding. and if you think rebuilding is a quick job and that we can be competitive before luke’s gone or bad then uhhh...why would anyone “understand speculation on trading cam”? there’s an inconsistency with the rebuild talk. we’re simultaneously so bad the roster needs a complete overhaul and yet good enough to justify spending 8 figures on an aging linebacker with a history of brain injuries. a halfway rebuild means lots of 6-10 seasons. forcing out cam while clinging to guys like kuechly doesn’t show a commitment to present or future success. it’s fan service. kuechly does not fit a rebuild. draft picks are more valuable to a rebuilding team than 2020 luke kuechly.

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51 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

OK, somebody help me.  I'm on a business trip and been hitting the sauce pretty hard when not working.  When did we destroy the Seahawks in the NFC championship game?  Did I manage to kill the brain cells that held that memory?

Early on we hammered them, 31 points in the first half, but in typical Ron Rivera Panthers fashion we went into conservative mode quickly in the second half.

It wasn't the NFC championship though, got it mixed up with the Cardinals game so that's my mistake.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=400820435

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