David Tepper: "Sometimes you have to tear things down to build them up"

[kungfoodude]

Fire selling all your assets is not really a commitment to winning, it's a commitment to losing with an unsure outcome. We shouldn't trade Cam, we shouldn't trade Luke, we shouldn't trade CMC. Doing things like that, to go gamble in the NFL draft to try and replace them.....is a really quick way to get Bengals bad. 

I understand Tepper's point about needing to be patient during a rebuild but if tearing the core of the team apart prematurely is a part of that plan, it's not a good plan. 

[Mitchl13]

8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

If the Carolina Panthers are truly committed to winning in the future then Kuechly, and even possibly McCaffrey will be considered for the trading block right along with Newton.

If you want to compete in the NFCS with the likes of Brees and Ryan you need an offensive line, and a quarterback. You just are not going to acquire that without significant assets.

We've heard so much lately about "emotional attachments" but the more you read about it the more it only seems to count for one particular player.

I agree 100%. If you were going to blow it all up and start over, McCaffrey has the most draft capital of any player in your team. By the time your rebuild is over he will either be OD massive contract or be out of the league due to the pounding he’s taken over the past couple years.

If you’re going to blow it all up, might as well do it Florida Marlins style.

[tgrfan01]

42 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

We're 6-18 over our last season and a half. The problems clearly go beyond just having an injured QB. Maybe Cam will be part of the turnover and maybe he won't, but it should be very obvious that we're not going to compete in 2020. The roster DOES need to be completely overhauled.

exactly let matt build the team to fit himself..if he feels he needs a differt qb to run his system then so be it..i dont want 4 years down the road to be set back by something.

[bobsfoodbasics]

2 minutes ago, stan786 said:

LBs and RBs are two of the least value added positions in football id love to trade those strengths into OL and QB. 

it's too bad we have a GM who still believes in 1980's football.

[Mitchl13]

1 minute ago, TheGoldenRhule said:

You seem to be under the impression the panthers will try to win next season lol. This team is a long way from being a SB contender, if it were me I would start by building the offensive line that way our next franchise QB (hopefully Laurence/Feilds) doesn't get cam newtoned.

I have a hard time believing that your brand new coach is going to come in and try to tank for a high draft pick. However I do agree with you that offense of line and defense of line should be priority number one in the off-season.

[bobowilson]

I'd rather we give Newton another year to see if he can recover, especially on the bargain deal he's on

But it's helpful to remember the only reason we went to the Super Bowl was because we started Jimmy Clausen and went 1-15 (allowing us to get Cam).

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

4 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I feel like you don't firmly believe this, you just sort of want them gone to spite people who want Cam gone (don't start including me, research my posts if you need confirmation).

you don't ditch an mvp quarterback and say it's because you're rebuilding and then waste other valuable assets. a half assed rebuild is the worst case scenario. there is no argument for keeping luke beyond protecting the feelings of fans if we're going to rebuild. by the time we are competitive again he will either be out of the league or negative value.

as for mccaffrey, as soon as he's paid what he's worth he's suddenly not such a great value anymore. you should pay players what they're worth when you're in position to compete. maximize assets otherwise. draft picks give you 4 to 5 years of low cost team control to find out what you have. i don't give a poo about the difference between a 5 win team and a 2 win team so his impact is meaningless in the midst of a rebuild

[bobowilson]

2 minutes ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

it's too bad we have a GM who still believes in 1980's football.

So does Matt Rhule unfortunately.

The number of times I've heard him talk about the key to winning being 'running the ball, and stopping the run" (analytics say the exact opposite), has been very alarming.

I really have no idea what David Tepper is doing, given he's supposed to be a data guy.

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

What'll be awesome is when we get that awesome offensive line, but we don't have a running back worth a poo. And we finally got another great QB, but our linebackers suck balls.

Maybe you've forgotten but I remember all the complaining and raging over the years about those contracts Hurney gave Dwill and Stewart. By comparison of what McCaffrey could end up commanding considering current market cost and how we have used him exhaustingly both as a runner and a receiver it's definitely a bit confusing seeing certain fans seemingly very eager to potentially pay him a king's ransom while we may be facing a future without an actual answer at QB for an unknown amount of time.

As far as Luke, do you really think it's a good idea to have 115 million dollars tied up in two linebackers, one of which will be 29 in April?

[PantherBrew]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Fire selling all your assets is not really a commitment to winning, it's a commitment to losing with an unsure outcome. We shouldn't trade Cam, we shouldn't trade Luke, we shouldn't trade CMC. Doing things like that, to go gamble in the NFL draft to try and replace them.....is a really quick way to get Bengals bad. 

I understand Tepper's point about needing to be patient during a rebuild but if tearing the core of the team apart prematurely is a part of that plan, it's not a good plan. 

Its such a weird mindset.  Like we have spent years developing these players and now we want to trade them in hopes of drafting players that we would be super lucky be near the level of those guys. 

We are not going to do that.  Now, I think we will have 6 non-rookies that are untouchable: Luke, CMC, Shaq, Cam, Moton, and Bradberry (assuming he re-signs).  I think everyone else could not be on the Panthers next year,

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

Just now, TheRed said:

As far as Luke, do you really think it's a good idea to have 115 million dollars tied up in two linebackers, one of which will be 29 in April?

don't forget the multiple brain injuries. weird how we're just supposed to ignore those injuries as we push the greatest player in the history of this franchise out the door

[kungfoodude]

Just now, PantherBrew said:

Its such a weird mindset.  Like we have spent years developing these players and now we want to trade them in hopes of drafting players that we would be super lucky be near the level of those guys. 

We are not going to do that.  Now, I think we will have 6 non-rookies that are untouchable: Luke, CMC, Shaq, Cam, Moton, and Bradberry (assuming he re-signs).  I think everyone else could not be on the Panthers next year,

It is the NFL, so I wouldn't say anyone is "untouchable." We do know that Marty has a bad habit of sticking with players past their expiration date, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that core stick around for a while. 

I do not understand the need to tear it all apart though. 

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

don't forget the multiple brain injuries. weird how we're just supposed to ignore those injuries as we push the greatest player in the history of this franchise out the door

when was the last time Luke missed significant playing time though?  for better or worse this is really a "what have you done for me lately" league.

[panthers55]

This is just an example of underpromise and try to over deliver.  Pretty standard in any business operation.  I am sure when KC drafted Mahomes they didn't expect to do so well so fast. We have many pieces for a good team already in place.