NFL owner reaction

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

lol i'm not anti-cmc. i think he's incredible for what he provides.

my point was paying any running back that much is ludicrous when you're not willing to pay your coach even half that.

Yeah but you keep spamming it in different threads. In this one it's just a weird tangent. 

To that point, I actually completely agree and have been researching it for a thread I am planning on throwing up(probably will get poo'ed like hell). It's just not a successful strategy in the modern NFL to have a bunch of money tied up at RB. Even with the league experiencing a LOT of success running the ball, it largely was without the top paid backs. 

[onmyown]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

At the low end of the Panther deal he doubles his salary 

Damn didn’t know that.

But if you own a company and you want to put more money into a hire you expect to be worth it and better quality then I see no issue and neither should other business minded folk. Should be about beating the competition not taming it.

[TheRumGone]

38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but you keep spamming it in different threads. In this one it's just a weird tangent. 

To that point, I actually completely agree and have been researching it for a thread I am planning on throwing up(probably will get poo'ed like hell). It's just not a successful strategy in the modern NFL to have a bunch of money tied up at RB. Even with the league experiencing a LOT of success running the ball, it largely was without the top paid backs. 

I agree but cmc is a little different. The dude could move to the slot permanently and probably be the best slot receiver in the game. He is a freak of nature.

[Woodie]

What you're seeing is a shift in power within the NFL.

Tepper came in and took some time to get his bearings and evaluate things.  But now, he's ready to make his move.  He's the richest owner, and he's also probably the toughest.  He's not a blowhard like Jerry Jones, he's a shark ready to attack. 

He's been a scrapper his whole life and is used to fighting to get what he wants.  And he has the resources to impose his will when he feels the need.  He'll play the game up to a point, but when there is something he wants, there is nobody in the league that can keep him doing whatever he can to get it...and in the process he won't give a fug.

[Woodie]

Double post

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I agree but cmc is a little different. The dude could move to the slot permanently and probably be the best slot receiver in the game. He is a freak of nature.

But he isn't going to be a slot WR, he's going to be a RB. The mileage and beating is completely different. CMC isn't terribly unique, although rare. He's basically LaDainian Tomlinson 2.0. Luckily he isn't getting nearly the mileage LT did during his career(LT's 16 game career low in carries is higher than CMC's 16 game career high). But it IS very similar to another guy like CMC....Marshall Faulk. Both Faulk and LT started to drop off significantly at around 28/29(not atypical for a RB). That is pretty much my expectation. CMC will end up dropping off his production around that 28/29 range, which would be a really bad time to be in a 5 year "highest in the NFL" contract. 

Plus, with CMC doing amazing things offensively.....did it net us many wins? That's the issue with RB's in the modern NFL. The "feature back" is a thing of the past. It is a QB driven league, even with successful running teams. 

 

[TheRumGone]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But he isn't going to be a slot WR, he's going to be a RB. The mileage and beating is completely different. CMC isn't terribly unique, although rare. He's basically LaDainian Tomlinson 2.0. Luckily he isn't getting nearly the mileage LT did during his career(LT's 16 game career low in carries is higher than CMC's 16 game career high). But it IS very similar to another guy like CMC....Marshall Faulk. Both Faulk and LT started to drop off significantly at around 28/29(not atypical for a RB). That is pretty much my expectation. CMC will end up dropping off his production around that 28/29 range, which would be a really bad time to be in a 5 year "highest in the NFL" contract. 

Plus, with CMC doing amazing things offensively.....did it net us many wins? That's the issue with RB's in the modern NFL. The "feature back" is a thing of the past. It is a QB driven league, even with successful running teams. 

 

I don’t disagree with any of that about rbs in general and the contract. I’ve said he probably has 2 or 3 more 1k years running the ball. My thought is when he starts breaking down he can be moved to the slot to further his career justifying the contract a bit more. And no cmc’s wr skills are far superior to LT’s or MF’s. He is a legit route running wr. Those two had great hands but were mostly used for screens. Cmc runs precision routes that slot receivers run. Like he could’ve been drafted as a pure slot receiver in the second or third round. Also I’ve stated if we sign cam long term again, let cmc walk. If we don’t sign cam, sign cmc get a young qb on a rookie deal and pray to allah we win a super bowl ala marshawn and RW 

[Matt62881]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Had a feeling the ratio of salary to experience might irk some other owners.

May not matter as long as we eventually start winning. If we don't, ouch!

If someone isnt hating, your doing something wrong.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Didn't Gruden get 10 years/100mil? 

Gruden has a Super Bowl ring.

Rhule is a college coach with one year NFL experience as an assistant to an assistant.

3 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

Where did you hear this?

"Forced" might be too strong, but the NFL definitely heavily favored Tepper in the process.

They told Michael Rubin not to bother staying in the process unless he was prepared to go 2.5 billion or higher. The team sold for less than 2.3

Tepper actually turned out to be the lowest bidder.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

If someone isnt hating, your doing something wrong.

That applies if you're winning.

We're not winning yet.

[Matt62881]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That applies if you're winning.

We're not winning yet.

ln my experience it always applies, no one is jealous of a loser and everyone will just laugh the contract off if he doesnt win within his first two seasons. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

ln my experience it always applies, no one is jealous of a loser and everyone will just laugh the contract off if he doesnt win within his first two seasons. 

Message being be careful about celebrating too early. WW crowed about signing Matt Paradis and drafting Armanti Edwards too.

If Rhule turns out to be bad, it's not the money that'll hurt. It'll be that we were stupid enough to throw that kind of money at a coach who turned out to be a bust.

We all hope that doesn't happen, but unfortunately it is possible.

[Matt62881]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Message being be careful about celebrating too early. WW crowed about signing Matt Paradis and drafting Armanti Edwards too.

If Rhule turns out to be bad, it's not the money that'll hurt. It'll be that we were stupid enough to throw that kind of money at a coach who turned out to be a bust.

We all hope that doesn't happen, but unfortunately it is possible.

But it's one of those things, do you really think tepper or you or I should care what others think? We took a gamble and it's a damn good one if you ask me, Rhule is one of the most passionate guys I've ever seen speak about the game of football. I think he offers a higher upside then McCarthy did so I'm happy about it. As far as Paradis goes, I never watched interviews of him so I have no notion of how passionate he was ect however my gut did say good acquisition ...and I never liked the armanti Edward's pick, the will Grier pick, and was on the fence about gaulden because of his athleticism. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Matt62881 said:

But it's one of those things, do you really think tepper or you or I should care what others think? We took a gamble and it's a damn good one if you ask me, Rhule is one of the most passionate guys I've ever seen speak about the game of football. I think he offers a higher upside then McCarthy did so I'm happy about it. As far as Paradis goes, I never watched interviews of him so I have no notion of how passionate he was ect however my gut did say good acquisition ...and I never liked the armanti Edward's pick, the will Grier pick, and was on the fence about gaulden because of his athleticism. 

I'm not interested in what people think.

I'm very interested in whether it was the right choice or not.

The next several years of this team's future depend on it.