Marty on Rhule and Cam Newton status

[joemac]

2 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Greg Olsen says hello..

Did Greg Olsens Panthers career get ended by his foot injury?

[TheRed]

10 minutes ago, joemac said:

Thats what I want to know.  Who do we get to take Cam's place?  Kyle Allen again?  Hope Tua falls to us in the draft?  Make a franchise changing trade up to draft Burrow?  Sign Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota?

There's just not a scenario where Allen or Grier are the answer.

If Cam is done you have to make a BIG move to show your fans you are committed to winning.

[La Pantera]

15 minutes ago, joemac said:

Did Greg Olsens Panthers career get ended by his foot injury?

He did re injure it AFTER surgery. He did miss more playing time. Doesn't seem to be able to play at the same level he was before the injury and may have played his last football. So do you think if Cam re injured his foot that he'd be fine?????

[raz]

5 minutes ago, joemac said:

Did Greg Olsens Panthers career get ended by his foot injury?

for the years we needed him yeah it did.   the shoulder is the more worrisome issue.  hard to believe it will survive behind what we'll be trotting out there at 0-line barring a miracle, specially if he stays as thin as he is.

 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

There's just not a scenario where Allen or Grier are the answer.

If Cam is done you have to make a BIG move to show your fans you are committed to winning.

I don't think anyone including the team think Allen or Grier are the answer.    The BIG move happened yesterday and everything going forward is a complete unknown.  The team is in full-on rebuild mode and there's no disguising it.  They expect to have a losing season next year a quit possibly in 2021 as well.   There will be a full reset either this off-season or the next.  You might as well prepare for it.

[The Huddler]

I love Cam but im worried about his shoulder. it could be shot

 

and that sucks because i want Cam a career panthers and i want to see him bounce back for us

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

In answer to this question, Tepper, Rhule and Hurney have used an amazing amount of words to say absolutely nothing over the past 24 hours.

You took the words right out of my mouth.  

[Jon Snow]

Just now, The Huddler said:

I love Cam but im worried about his shoulder. it could be shot

 

and that sucks because i want Cam a career panthers and i want to see him bounce back for us

Everyone would love that.  But it appears the team is unwilling to gamble that he will stay healthy enough to warrant another contract.  So we are in a really bad place right now.  

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't think anyone including the team think Allen or Grier are the answer.    The BIG move happened yesterday and everything going forward is a complete unknown.  The team is in full-on rebuild mode and there's no disguising it.  They expect to have a losing season next year a quit possibly in 2021 as well.   There will be a full reset either this off-season or the next.  You might as well prepare for it.

I know the word rebuild has been thrown around here lately but do you honestly think Tepper just spent upwards of 70 million dollars and paid the 6 million dollar fee to Baylor just for us to trot out more mediocrity behind center again?

We were unequivocally the worst team in the league by the end of the season. Yes the front office will talk about patience, but even they know they have to bring in THEIR guy by 2021 at the latest if they move on from Newton.

[RenoCarolina]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

In answer to this question, Tepper, Rhule and Hurney have used an amazing amount of words to say absolutely nothing over the past 24 hours.

In all fairness, what do people expect?  

*If healthy .... Cam is our guy.  How many ways can you say that?

Sometimes there is no conspiracy, no deep state.  Sometimes you just have to wait on information.

 

 

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I know the word rebuild has been throw around here lately but do you honestly think Tepper just spent upwards of 70 million dollars and paid the 6 million dollar fee to Baylor just for us to trot out more mediocrity behind center again?

We were unequivocally the worst team in the league by the end of the season. Yes the front office will talk about patience, but even they know they have to bring in THEIR guy by 2021 at the latest if they move on from Newton.

He paid him to build a team and culture that fits his vision.  The team is in shambles all over the place.  There is no bandaid that's going to magically turn this team into a playoff team next year.  They expect there to be growing pains and are prepared for it.   Tepper has told everyone that was listening that it could be a 5 year rebuild.  Rebuild is the key word.

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Can't argue the first thing I bolded, but Devil's advocate:

Cam showed us what he had in 2018 and the first two games of 2019. I was extremely disappointed. He was hurt and playing hurt, hurt the team.

2Coaching and remaining healthy players hurt the team. The only thing any player can do while hurt is give it their all. Maybe the healthy players should have looked at CAM and valued their health and played better the same with coaching. This team should have been inspired instead were deflated by coaching and poor evaluation.

[Davidson Deac II]

45 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The word "Build" comes up a lot around Rhule.  Do you "build" around Cam?  Even if healthy, he is looking at a $35m deal in 2021.  Can you build around an aging QB taking up over 10% of the cap? 

That is the dilemma.  Love him all you want, that does not matter.

In my opinion, the term build or rebuild is a relative term.  In some ways, I think the Saints rebuilt to an extent after their three or so consecutive 7-9 seasons.  They did it by making wise draft picks and free agent signings, while hanging on to some of their best players, including Brees.  They had a good qb, and they built the team around him.  And it worked fairly well.  

To win in this league, you have to have a good qb, and they are hard to obtain.  Drafting a QB is a crap shoot even if it is someone like Burrows or Lawrence.  Cam when healthy, is a good qb, one we can win with.    Which is why we can and should hang on to him if he is healthy enough to play.  

Of course, I am of the opinion that we aren't as far away as some believe.  I think a couple of new linemen on both the dline and oline could make a world of difference.  

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, RenoCarolina said:

In all fairness, what do people expect?  

*If healthy .... Cam is our guy.  How many ways can you say that?

Sometimes there is no conspiracy, no deep state.  Sometimes you just have to wait on information.

Pretty much.

I have no doubt that Rhule has been told to be non-committal, and that's smart. Having him say one thing and then the end result be something else would put him in a bad light.

And besides, he just got here. He's never worked with Cam Newton. Hasn't even met him. Why would you put weight into his opinion?