Update: Tua entering NFL draft

[Anybodyhome]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. had him rated third overall in his latest Big Board.

 

6 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Kiper has had him #3 pretty much all year.

Mel Kiper can't tell time with a watch on.

Helen Keller would have been a better home plate umpire than Kiper is a draft "expert."

[philit99]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 It’s got nothing to do with love. That’s just the default people use when someone shows they’re wrong. Like when a pro style pistol, as you called it, Is somehow a spread? And Tia is a running QB. 

  He had 23.carries for 17 yards. That’s not a threat of any kind. 

 

 

If you run 3-5 times a game, I consider that a running QB.

[MHS831]

So much depends on free agency---but as it stands right now, there could be as many as 3 QBs going in the top 7.

Cincy:  Burrow QB (or Tua, but Burrow is safer)

Washington: Young DE (no way the Ronskins pass on a young QB chaser--see what I did there?  Chase young--young chaser?  Quality material here)

Detroit: Trade with Miami--Tua QBI expect the Lions will be offering trades here.  Detroit is in a great position to trade, so they will destroy months of mock work.  Here, I am guessing Miami does not want to be leapfrogged by an QB needy team to get the NFL's next Brees.

NY Giants:  Wirfs OT  I see Gettlemen grabbing a Hog Molly for the OL, and a T is obviously the pick--which one?  There are 2 or 3 top ten OTs in this draft, but I see Gettlemen liking the IOWA T over the SEC OTs.

Detroit: Okudah CB.  Detroit gets their guy and Miami's second rounder.

Chargers:  Herbert QB.  Even if the Chargers keep Rivers, he is old and his play showed some serious signs of declining.  This may be a reach--they could make a trade, but if they keep Rivers, I think they bring in an understudy like Gettlemen did with Manning this year.

Panthers:  If it goes down this way, the Panthers have a choice between Thomas OT, Brown DT, Jeury WR.

Personally, I think the Panthers are in a good position to trade back as well, unless they love a player here.  Here are my thoughts if we don't:

1. Take Thomas and move Little to Guard if you are certain that Little is incapable of developing into a LT.  If you think Little could be a LT and want to keep him at T, do not draft Thomas.

2. Take Brown if you plan to develop Little as a T.  A disruptive DE who can play multiple techniques in multiple fronts.  Personally, I think he is the Aaron Donald of this draft--not a matching skill set, but a matching value.

3.  Trade back.  Jeudy would be great-a precise route runner, but he has a teammate or two and there are several good WRs in the draft we could grab that would be worth the dropoff if we got an addition day 1 or day 2 pick.

(disclaimer: the comments stated here are my opinions. They are supported when possible, but the poster does not intend for his views to be considered proclamations or definitive predictions that deem any other opinions to be incorrect. They do not reflect the view of the Huddle, the Panthers, or the National Football league. please understand that I realize this is understood by most posters, but there are some who fail to grasp the essential protocols of a discussion board, so I want to address that up front to help reduce levels of stress for those who have yet to grasp that very basic concept.  Thank you.)

 

[t96]

27 minutes ago, trueblade said:

You spend your 1st round pick on a red shirt guy, you're sacrificing 2020 anyway. Trade down, get a 2021 1st, sure up the offensive and defensive lines in 2020 and then go after a QB in 2021.

If you plan to go QB in 2021 you have to tank for a top 2 pick. And unless we trade away our young core players I don’t think we’re in a position to tank for top 2 next season. We have a better roster than that, and would probably have like 4-5 wins at the very least. With a healthy Cam or Tua and a good new coach I think we’re a playoff team.

[trucpfan]

1 hour ago, philit99 said:

All I am going to say, is that Tua had the same injury as Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson didn’t come back from his injury. I know that’s two different positions, but Tua is a hard pass from me. If Bo Jackson couldn’t come back, I don’t see Tua being effective running the ball and that is a huge part of his game.

You’re stuck in the 90’s it’s 2020 everything in this world has been drastically improved he’ll be fully healed once he steps on the field that’s not a issue.

49 minutes ago, philit99 said:

He is projected 12 right now, again no way I bet a first round pick on a player that has been injured 3 times in 2 years. He is a spread attack QB and a threat to run, if he can’t run then he better be the next Drew Brees with accuracy. I just don’t see it.

He’s the best QB in the draft if you watch college football.

11 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

If im Tua im hoping a good team trades up for me Like Mahomes and Watson  situation

He gets to sit a year behind a vet and get healthy and play with a team with a lot of talent around him

 

Yup or or just my opinion I’d let Cam play out this year with Tua behind him learning getting fully healthy with nfl money behind him it’s a win win for us all.

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Yes, he does.

Stay healthy. Not get hurt. Not have 2 ankle surgeries and a hip surgery. 

Deshaun Watson has two ACL tears prior to being drafted was it worth it for the Texans if a QB couldn’t beat out the other options at OSU I’d say him staying healthy has to do with not even being good enough to take a starting job which keep him sidelined which helped him stay healthy lol.

[Toomers]

Just now, Anybodyhome said:

 

Mel Kiper can't tell time with a watch on.

Helen Keller would have been a better home plate umpire than Kiper is a draft "expert."

Read the thread. He’s not my standard. Just what I was given as a source and I can’t find one thing about him being anywhere near 12th on his big board anyhow. An article that says he kept him at 3 right after injury. So when did he drop him to 12 and raise him back up?

[philit99]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

So much depends on free agency---but as it stands right now, there could be as many as 3 QBs going in the top 7.

Cincy:  Burrow QB (or Tua, but Burrow is safer)

Washington: Young DE (no way the Ronskins pass on a young QB chaser--see what I did there?  Chase young--young chaser?  Quality material here)

Detroit: Trade with Miami--Tua QBI expect the Lions will be offering trades here.  Detroit is in a great position to trade, so they will destroy months of mock work.  Here, I am guessing Miami does not want to be leapfrogged by an QB needy team to get the NFL's next Brees.

NY Giants:  Wirfs OT  I see Gettlemen grabbing a Hog Molly for the OL, and a T is obviously the pick--which one?  There are 2 or 3 top ten OTs in this draft, but I see Gettlemen liking the IOWA T over the SEC OTs.

Detroit: Okudah CB.  Detroit gets their guy and Miami's second rounder.

Chargers:  Herbert QB.  Even if the Chargers keep Rivers, he is old and his play showed some serious signs of declining.  This may be a reach--they could make a trade, but if they keep Rivers, I think they bring in an understudy like Gettlemen did with Manning this year.

Panthers:  If it goes down this way, the Panthers have a choice between Thomas OT, Brown DT, Jeury WR.

Personally, I think the Panthers are in a good position to trade back as well, unless they love a player here.  Here are my thoughts if we don't:

1. Take Thomas and move Little to Guard if you are certain that Little is incapable of developing into a LT.  If you think Little could be a LT and want to keep him at T, do not draft Thomas.

2. Take Brown if you plan to develop Little as a T.  A disruptive DE who can play multiple techniques in multiple fronts.  Personally, I think he is the Aaron Donald of this draft--not a matching skill set, but a matching value.

3.  Trade back.  Jeudy would be great-a precise route runner, but he has a teammate or two and there are several good WRs in the draft we could grab that would be worth the dropoff if we got an addition day 1 or day 2 pick.

(disclaimer: the comments stated here are my opinions. They are supported when possible, but the poster does not intend for his views to be considered proclamations or definitive predictions that deem any other opinions to be incorrect. They do not reflect the view of the Huddle, the Panthers, or the National Football league. please understand that I realize this is understood by most posters, but there are some who fail to grasp the essential protocols of a discussion board, so I want to address that up front to help reduce levels of stress for those who have yet to grasp that very basic concept.  Thank you.)

 

Great Analysis, I’d give you extra pie just for the disclaimer!

[trucpfan]

4 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

not to accuse anyone in particular, but plenty of people refer to "running QBs" when they simply mean "black QBs." 

how Tua is a "running QB" is beyond me... Burrows nearly has more rushing yards this year than Tua has in his career, but nobody calls Burrows a "running QB"... Tua is athletic but his game is not close to defined by it the way some other QBs have been.

You watch college ball I see this is hands down an excellent assessment of what’s going on. Tua running lol when all I’ve seen from Tua is accurate darts all over the darn field from inside or outside the pocket but actually running Naw you’re misinformed if you call him a running qb.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

If you plan to go QB in 2021 you have to rank for a top 2 pick. And unless we trade away our young core players I don’t think we’re in a position to tank for top 2 next season. We have a better roster than that, and would probably have like 4-5 wins at the very least. With a healthy Cam or Tua and a good new coach I think we’re a playoff team.

Kiper (fwiw) feels that Tua is a left handed Brees.  Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young held clip boards for a while--I think it helped.  I have no problems with taking Tua--your draft should be aligned with the vision of the franchise for the future, not to fill immediate needs to stop the bleeding.  If you can do both, great.  If Tua checks out, he will be worth getting 3 years of play on a 4-year deal in that first contract.

[philit99]

Looks like it is McShay and not Kiper.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

I’d take him at 7 if his injury checks out and that should be known pretty well by the draft. Then you start Cam this year and if he’s healthy and balls out you can trade one of the two of them for a large haul.

Not in favor of this plan. Think of players before and after the draft like new cars. The moment you drive that thing off the lot, it loses a third of it's value. The player may command a ransom in draft picks up til the moment he's actually drafted, but once he is, what you can get for him immediately drops substantially. It makes no real sense, but it's the way the NFL works and for that reason I'd never want to spend a 1st round pick on a player with an expectation that you may just be drafting him to trade him later. That is point gun at foot if it happens.

To be fair I'm not in favor of drafting Tua generally because I'm not really interested in trading a 30 year old qb with injury history and big concerns for a 22 year old qb with injury history and big concerns. Even if Tua's existing injuries are cleared medically, you're still talking about investing a top pick in a guy who's never proven capable of lasting a season of college ball. What happens to that dude when NFL d linemen hit him?

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, philit99 said:

If you run 3-5 times a game, I consider that a running QB.

And when including sacks, that doesn’t come close to adding up. I would think a coach who watched all his games would have been able to tell that he rarely ran a called play. 

[1of10Charnatives]

7 minutes ago, philit99 said:

Great Analysis, I’d give you extra pie just for the disclaimer!

This.

[Anybodyhome]

9 minutes ago, philit99 said:

If you run 3-5 times a game, I consider that a running QB.

Does that include running on and off the field before and after a series?