Never forget we traded up to passed on A.J Brown and D.K Metcalf in the second.

[micnificent28]

Just now, ItsJustMe said:

Out of all those, the take the pick right after ours, Cody Ford

Seems like most of the board thinks little was the right call... so what do I know.

[ItsJustMe]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Seems like most of the board thinks little was the right call... so what do I know.

tbh looking at both, little looks out of shape while ford looks like a legit lineman out there 

[raz]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Seems like most of the board thinks little was the right call... so what do I know.

no we don't.  didn't need to trade up to get him either.  i hope he can play guard so at least he's useful.

and i take jeudy and interior ol later, 2-3 of them.  samuel is pretty useless and weak.

[MHS831]

24 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I Mean tackle is of course the priority but at what point does bpa come into effect? Is wirfs a equal talent to Juedy? Juedy is being touted the best wr prospect out of bama since Julio Jones. Do you pass on a more likely pro bowler for.... Little caliber player?

Yep--I would not be mad at Jeudy---you can expect immediate impact with him.  He would take pressure off Moore--make us dangerous.

But Wirfs is projected to go top 10 as well.  He probably will have a slow start.

Do you go with the immediate shot in the arm or the long term need? 

I say that because underlying this thread is the assumption that Little is a bust because he did not produce instantly like the 2 players at another position.   It shows me 2 things:

• They are not looking at the draft as a long-term process.  
• They do not understand what it takes to play LT in the NFL.

[micnificent28]

I mean, for those bashing me for discussing wr instead of little whom most of us didnt like. How much better off are we for taking little? Are we still talking about drafting a left tackle this season or what? Because from what I saw I would bet more on Daley than little to this point. And if we are still talking LT this season how much worse off would we have been not taking a tackle there? My issue isnt with trying to pick a tackle at the pick it's picking the right one, trading up to force a pick where it wasnt warranted.

[panthers55]

51 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Everyone agreed we needed OL. I personally thought we needed interior guys first and that the draft was really deep at G/C. We just lost Ryan Kalil and Norwell the year before. Guys like Jenkins and McCoy could be LG first and then move over to C or be C knowing how bad Paradis actually played. The draft was much better value wise as C/G and most of us didn’t like Little at all.

There were 3 C/Gs that will all likely be studs for a long time. Two of them were ranked top 10 overall, not just among rookies. All of them were available for us to pick at 37 or 47.

Honestly, we could have taken McCoy at 47 and if we still had a hard on for Little, we probably get him by using 77 and 100 to trade up. Little was dropping like Orlando Brown did. Brown worked out but only Marty had a first round grade on him and didn’t have the patience to realize no one else wanted him just like Grier.

Hindsight analysis is easy for anyone to do. But making the right choices at the time is much harder. I don't know that Little won't work out fine. The concussions are concerning but until he has been here for a few years, any judgements about whether he was a good or bad choice is rather premature.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

(48) New Orleans Saints (From MIA): Erik McCoy, C - Texas A&M

Saint's starting center.

Rookie on a rookie contract.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Yep--I would not be mad at Jeudy---you can expect immediate impact with him.  He would take pressure off Moore--make us dangerous.

But Wirfs is projected to go top 10 as well.  He probably will have a slow start.

Do you go with the immediate shot in the arm or the long term need? 

I say that because underlying this thread is the assumption that Little is a bust because he did not produce instantly like the 2 players at another position.   It shows me 2 things:

• They are not looking at the draft as a long-term process.  
• They do not understand what it takes to play LT in the NFL.

Agreed with all of your saying. However I am of the minority that doesn't believe in Little. I didnt see anything out of him for the handful of games he played that make me think he plays 5 more seasons in the league non the less at a high level. From being whipped in practice daily by Burns to the games he played I just dont see a lot of hope there. And that's not speaking on him  being available to even play for us.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

we were pretty unanimous in loving Burns and not liking Little

I'm an SEC guy and I never liked Little.

He's a "play on natural talent alone" guy, which made him pretty good to really good (at times) in the SEC (because he has a good amount of natural talent).  No intensity.  Only took as much effort as it needed rather than full-effort every play and maul and dominate your opponent.

I saw that out of Little over the years against SEC talent and my thought was what is he going to be when he faces the best of the best for 16 games per year?  My answer to myself on that wasn't very positive.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

 How much better off are we for taking little? Are we still talking about drafting a left tackle this season or what? Because from what I saw I would bet more on Daley than little to this point.

We do not know.   A WR's chance for success in the NFL as a rookie is almost 3 times higher than a left tackle.  How many rookie left tackles can you name that stood out as rookies?  This Harvard research article summarizes the point.   We need to give Little a chance at LT, and move him inside to G if he does not pan out. But Little missed a lot of camp/preseason and was IR'ed later.   So the people talking about drafting a LT this year are actually saying that they have seen enough to draft the position again.  Aside from the concussions, there was not enough to determine whether he can play LT or not.  So to answer your question, nobody is writing off Little except those who THINK they know enough to make Little a bust.  Let's say he does not work out at LT but gets moved inside to G and dominates.  It takes longer for a LT--to compare them to a WR is not fair or logical.   MOST WRs have better rookie seasons that rookie left tackles.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/at-which-positions-have-nfl-rookies-had-the-most-success/

This study takes the top 100 rookie seasons over the past 50 years.  only 5% were Left tackles.  Wide Receiver was the third most successful group. 

 

[tiger7_88]

53 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

If Wirfs and Jeudy are on the board when we pick, who would you take?

Wirfs all day, every day.

And I'll admit I'm wrong if Little becomes a great player.  But I've watched him a lot over the last 4+ years and I don't think I'm gonna be wrong.

[Palmetto]

If you're not trading up for a Franchise Qb stay put a take the guys that fall to you

So many great players are in the second round every year

[Forty-Eight]

1 hour ago, bobowilson said:

How many Bills games have you watched this year

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cody-ford/39805

17 games

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Wirfs all day, every day.

And I'll admit I'm wrong if Little becomes a great player.  But I've watched him a lot over the last 4+ years and I don't think I'm gonna be wrong.

I'm leaning Wirfs too, but I have to see his workouts first before I pencil him in on the left side.  At worst, he's a franchise RT.