McDaniels in Denver: What he learned

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

While I agree in principal razor, people can’t be what they aren’t.

we aren’t talking about X’s and O’s, we are talking about soft people skills.  That’s a horse of a different color 

 

The point is people can change who they are and how they treat people. Some people can spend their lives treating people with love and compassion, but then have something tragic happen that jaded their whole perspective on humanity.

I don't think anyone can deny that change happening. But by that same token, someone who had treated people horribly can have something happen that forces a change in perspective, a wake up call of sorts. 

I see people in management who come in early thinking they have to be hard and end up losing control quickly and who have to told by a mentor to change what they are doing so they can be more effective. Sometimes they figure that poo out on their own. I think that's the kind of thing than may have happened.

[JARROD]

52 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Mike Sherman was the coach I was asking you about. Mike Sherman was also never given a head coaching position again, despite his obvious success(albeit not in the playoffs).

I have to get to an event, so I will lay out some the rest of my case for you to respond to and we can resume this debate later this afternoon or this evening. Also, I am not particularly anti-McCarthy, I just view him as another John Fox-esque pick of decent but not great coaches. 

If you look at both San Francisco during their period of success(Montana/Young) and Green Bay during their recent period of success(Favre/Rodgers) there are a lot of similarities in the results, that being that they were almost always successful as teams(winning percentages, division titles, playoff appearances, Super Bowls, etc) across multiple coaches. You talk about McCarthy being at Green Bay through a rebuild(which I would argue they never truly had to rebuild during those years) but Seifert also was at San Francisco as they moved on from Montana and transitioned to Steve Young(something that McCarthy did going from Favre to Rodgers). In fact, Seifert won a Super Bowl with both of those QB's. 

The greater overall point I am trying to make is that sometimes coaches during these dynasties are more a product of the success of the overall franchise/team than they are themselves responsible for the successes solely. To that point, both Green Bay and San Francisco had front offices that relatively consistently were able to assemble very talented and competitive rosters. Similarly, all these coaches had the benefit of Hall of Fame QB's and many other Hall of Fame caliber talent. 

That isn't going to be the situation in Carolina. We are going to need a coach that can BUILD a success here, not take over the reigns of an already successful franchise(like Seifert, Mariucci, Sherman, McCarthy did) and just maintain that dominance. That doesn't mean any of those coaches are bad but that they were the product of the success and talent around them rather than the REASON for that success. 

I get it. 
 

Mike McCarthy for me is just the best choice of the bunch, but nothing is a guarantee. I do think he will have a better chance of bringing in a staff than the others.

That being said, we will find out soon what Dave Tepper wants.

 

the other thing I point out as a difference between the dynasty coaches you bring up is Mike has a lot of energy and has been vocal about the amount of time given to improvements.

Siefert and others didn’t display that. The theme around the Panthers was about the air going out of the stadium.

I just don’t see that with Mike McCarthy.

[cardiackat88.]

11 hours ago, countryboi said:

In my experience people dont change that much, once and asshole always an asshole. 

 

11 hours ago, rayzor said:

Pretty sucky, sad, and small perspective on life and people you've got there.

How is it possible I can fully agree with both of you?

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, JARROD said:

I get it. 
 

Mike McCarthy for me is just the best choice of the bunch, but nothing is a guarantee. I do think he will have a better chance of bringing in a staff than the others.

That being said, we will find out soon what Dave Tepper wants.

 

the other thing I point out as a difference between the dynasty coaches you bring up is Mike has a lot of energy and has been vocal about the amount of time given to improvements.

Siefert and others didn’t display that. The theme around the Panthers was about the air going out of the stadium.

I just don’t see that with Mike McCarthy.

He is spending day 2 with the cowboys because things went so well yesterday. There is a good chance he will be the next coach of the cowboys if Jones doesn't let him leave without a deal.