McDaniels in Denver: What he learned

[kungfoodude]

Just now, 45catfan said:

The dynamic on this forum is so vastly different.  Some want a field general and others seemingly want a yoga instructor.  True, you can't be a complete a$$hole, but we are talking about a football team here.  It appears MCDaniels has let up a bit to consider how he affects others, but the last thing I want is a daily feelings class held in the locker room with incense and therapy music playing softly in the background.

I mean, you basically described Pete Carroll(who literally had mandatory yoga and TED talks with the Seahawks). That did work out pretty well.

Of course, drafting an elite QB also helps quite a bit.....

[raz]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree that those are characteristics of people on the spectrum, and I have heard the argument that we are all on the spectrum to some degree; but to diagnose him with autism based on an article is dangerously speculative.  If you mean overcoming autism, by the way--and I do not think that is what you meant---I think you meant developing support systems to prevent it from becoming a bigger problem than it could be.

I watched him interact with Brady on the sideline, etc.  I am not seeing the stereotypical body language someone on the high end of the spectrum might have.  Just an observation and opinion.

i don't know if he is or isn't, just a guess.  you would never guess i was on the spectrum if we met in person.   i'm animated, personable, funny, engaging and i love eye contact unless you're telling me something important i really need to focus on.  the specialist didn't think there was any way i was on it, well until she gave me the facial expressions book.

[45catfan]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I mean, you basically described Pete Carroll(who literally had mandatory yoga and TED talks with the Seahawks). That did work out pretty well.

Of course, drafting an elite QB also helps quite a bit.....

They are also in Seattle so that kinda fits the vibe of the area.   In Charlotte, the players would be like WTF?

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

They are also in Seattle so that kinda fits the vibe of the area.   In Charlotte, the players would be like WTF?

Yeah but his players aren't from Seattle. They come from all over the country. 

What you mean is that the FANS reaction in CLT would be WTF. Well I don't care about the fans reaction if we are winning. I don't care if the team has organized dildo fighting sessions in furry outfits if it nets us the results the Seahawks have had. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, raz said:

i don't know if he is or isn't, just a guess.  you would never guess i was on the spectrum if we met in person.   i'm animated, personable, funny, engaging and i love eye contact unless you're telling me something important i really need to focus on.  the specialist didn't think there was any way i was on it, well until she gave me the facial expressions book.

I just think it is important not to guess or label, but I admire your honesty.  I kinda agree that we are all on the spectrum to some degree.  I can tell you that I learned about autism by developing a program at Pfeiffer University (I worked there at the time) to serve and recruit students on the spectrum; I spent 3 years on this program (and I had no incentive to do so--no funding, no course release--I simply met a freshman at orientation who was withdrawn and got to know him)--the program involved a center for resources (open to the community), training for the faculty and staff, housing adjustments, etc. Then the dean of the school of Education decided to get the special education department involved, and I protested that it would make the students feel like guinea pigs.  She disagreed, got involved, and the program dissolved.  (after I left for another job).  So while not an expert by any means, I understand more than most.  The fact that you do not display the key indicators is remarkable--I am a fan of yours from now on.

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, raz said:

i don't know if he is or isn't, just a guess.  you would never guess i was on the spectrum if we met in person.   i'm animated, personable, funny, engaging and i love eye contact unless you're telling me something important i really need to focus on.  the specialist didn't think there was any way i was on it, well until she gave me the facial expressions book.

Well they gave me the book and I just kept punching all the faces. Then they asked me to leave. What does that mean?

[raz]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well they gave me the book and I just kept punching all the faces. Then they asked me to leave. What does that mean?

that means you're fugging awesome!

[davos]

2 hours ago, thennek said:

I would like to understand what happened with the Colts job. He was obviously interested in the job because he interviewed for it and was chosen for it.

Then all of a sudden changed his mind and decided not to take the job. There were a lot of people having a lot of negative things to say how he handled this. 

This is a red flag that did not happen during his Denver debacle. It happened recently after he supposedly learned his lesson. 

This. He had people making arrangements to uproot their families for him and backed out. This wasn’t even 2 years ago. The guy seems like a complete tool bag.

[DubE_4MR]

He was 32 when he took the Denver job. I just want to win man. I don’t need our coach to be the pope. If he’s a jerk and wins ball games then I don’t care if he throws coffee on agents in meetings.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, davos said:

This. He had people making arrangements to uproot their families for him and backed out. This wasn’t even 2 years ago. The guy seems like a complete tool bag.

Speaking of lacking empathy, right?

[Cavscout]

58 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Thanks for the link.  That was a very good read.  It was a question I had.  Many here are referencing his failure in Denver as a reason not to hire him.  He was very young when he got that job.  He has had several years and experience in a couple of other systems besides the Patriots since he was fired.  The big question is what did he learn from that experience and how would he do things differently.  That article made me feel better about him if he is the hire.  Another big question would be the staff he would bring with him.

If Cam is healthy, I would love to see what McD would do with the offense.

I think cam would thrive with McDaniels, Stefanski, or Rhule

[raz]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I just think it is important not to guess or label, but I admire your honesty.  I kinda agree that we are all on the spectrum to some degree.  I can tell you that I learned about autism by developing a program at Pfeiffer University (I worked there at the time) to serve and recruit students on the spectrum; I spent 3 years on this program (and I had no incentive to do so--no funding, no course release--I simply met a freshman at orientation who was withdrawn and got to know him)--the program involved a center for resources (open to the community), training for the faculty and staff, housing adjustments, etc. Then the dean of the school of Education decided to get the special education department involved, and I protested that it would make the students feel like guinea pigs.  She disagreed, got involved, and the program dissolved.  (after I left for another job).  So while not an expert by any means, I understand more than most.  The fact that you do not display the key indicators is remarkable--I am a fan of yours from now on.

thanks for doing that man.  stupid stupid dean.    fwiw i had some of the same issues with a few of the businesses i've owned as mcd seems to have had.   work was an escape from social and/or familial relations.  they can be exhausting for us.  work was a place for perfection.  a place of escape.  a place to lose myself in the work.    before i realized that's not how it was for everyone i had a lot of issues with employees, was way too hard on them, withheld appreciation and affection if their work wasn't perfect...  i treated them the way i operate at work.   i made them miserable.     

[raz]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well they gave me the book and I just kept punching all the faces. Then they asked me to leave. What does that mean?

looking at the book i was like - that's a cop, cop, sketchy as fug person, cop

[davos]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Speaking of lacking empathy, right?

He’s unsure of his own decisions. Indecisive, unlikeable, Red flags across the board. I hung out with a few former Titans and Cardinals last night to watch the game (all who’ve retired within the last few years) and McDaniels is despised in the league. hard hard pass.