McDaniels in Denver: What he learned

[Cavscout]

McDaniels to Carolina rumors have been around for so long that it almost seems like a pre-arranged marriage.

[thennek]

I would like to understand what happened with the Colts job. He was obviously interested in the job because he interviewed for it and was chosen for it.

Then all of a sudden changed his mind and decided not to take the job. There were a lot of people having a lot of negative things to say how he handled this. 

This is a red flag that did not happen during his Denver debacle. It happened recently after he supposedly learned his lesson. 

[raz]

good read.   i like it.  sounds like mcd is a little special to me, like bellicheat.   i like that.  takes some people longer to recognize the need to value empathy because their brains are wired hardcore for logic.   if he's understood what a workplace needs to feel like, and that immediate punishment by withholding support isn't the best practice for failure on the field or sideline i think he'll be a success here.   a huge one.   yeah its a big ask, but the bonus is his tactical skills are something his brain is hard wired for.   in ways i'd rather him have failed at the human part like he did, than to have failed at the tactical part.   i'm a lot more willing to feel positive about him now.  basically he's the opposite of ron.   ron doesn't want to learn.  josh does.  

[Gesualdo]

It's not that people can't change, it's just that sometimes people make noises about changing and don't actually change.

Example: Ron Rivera

Can any of us know this is the case with McDaniels? No. But he did, very recently, leave an assistant coach high and dry with the Colts situation. We don't know every detail, but the fact that McDaniels later commented that he's "happy it worked out" after the Colts retained Eberflus sort of suggests to me that he didn't do too much himself on the guy's behalf after basically screwing him over.

The whole affair isn't a great look for the "changed man" school of thought. At the time it went down, there were an awful lot of "unnamed sources" suggesting folks with the Colts did NOT like the way McDaniels handled the situation. Sour grapes? Could be. Or maybe they just felt burned by a jerk.

[TheRed]

The biggest issue with McDaniels is people are banking on him having changed not just as a coach but a person. If that sounds familiar it's because we had all been waiting ten years for Ron to finally evolve. It never happened. This seems like more of the same no matter how much of a positive spin you want to put on it.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, Woodie said:

Wow, that's sad.  However, if you read the article, it wasn't so much that he was intentionally an asshole, but that he was oblivious to how his actions affected those around him.  An asshole is someone that doesn't care, McDaniels clearly does.  As he reflected, the realization hit him how his behavior affected others and that he needed to change his approach.  

The real issue is that he wasn't ready.  But he learned, matured, and developed as a coach.  

Well being oblivious to the people around you also means you either have your head buried so far up your ass or your people skills really do suck and you cannot read people's reactions very well. It doesn't take a master's degree in psychology to just simply read people's emotions and react based on that. Or perhaps give a poo when they are clearly bothered by something.

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, raz said:

good read.   i like it.  sounds like mcd is a little special to me, like bellicheat.   i like that.  takes some people longer to recognize the need to value empathy because their brains are wired hardcore for logic.   if he's understood what a workplace needs to feel like, and that immediate punishment by withholding support isn't the best practice for failure on the field or sideline i think he'll be a success here.   a huge one.   yeah its a big ask, but the bonus is his tactical skills are something his brain is hard wired for.   in ways i'd rather him have failed at the human part like he did, than to have failed at the tactical part.   i'm a lot more willing to feel positive about him now.  basically he's the opposite of ron.   ron doesn't want to learn.  josh does.  

Yeah, and you know where the value of a guy driven by logic that has relatively poor people skills? In a role where you mainly deal with specific logical things(like calling plays as a coordinator) rather than being a head coach where you need to be able to inspire people to greatness. 

Perhaps McDaniels is another in a long line of coaches that are best suited for coordinator roles and not head coaching roles.

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well being oblivious to the people around you also means you either have your head buried so far up your ass or your people skills really do suck and you cannot read people's reactions very well. It doesn't take a master's degree in psychology to just simply read people's emotions and react based on that. Or perhaps give a poo when they are clearly bothered by something.

He sounds a lot like every engineer type I’ve ever worked with. He can improve on the soft skills but he’ll never be great at it. 
 

 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

He sounds a lot like every engineer type I’ve ever worked with. He can improve on the soft skills but he’ll never be great at it. 
 

 

Yep. Grew up around the type and work around the type often. Can be great at what they do but typically very poor leaders.

[Mr. Scot]

What I find kind of interesting is that McDaniels responded to losing a job with self-reflection whereas Rivera's response was "I didn't have enough power".

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I find kind of interesting is that McDaniels responded to losing a job with self-reflection whereas Rivera's response was "I didn't have enough power".

McCarthy was similar. Went back to the drawing board. I don't think McDaniels or McCarthy are going to substantially improve but at least they tried.

Ron seems to be hell bent on showing he wasn't the problem by doubling down on what he was doing previously.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

McCarthy was similar. Went back to the drawing board. I don't think McDaniels or McCarthy are going to substantially improve but at least they tried.

Ron seems to be hell bent on showing he wasn't the problem by doubling down on what he was doing previously.

I don't doubt that Ron is a good person, but I do question his self awareness.

[ickmule]

Would really free up my Sunday’s for the future if they hire that idiot.  

[raz]

37 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well being oblivious to the people around you also means you either have your head buried so far up your ass or your people skills really do suck and you cannot read people's reactions very well. It doesn't take a master's degree in psychology to just simply read people's emotions and react based on that. Or perhaps give a poo when they are clearly bothered by something.

there's another possibility you haven't considered that has nothing to do with a masters degree or having your head up your own ass.  he may be extra gifted in some areas and less gifted in others naturally.  that's what i meant by him being a little special.   it seriously may not have ever occurred to him he was lacking before.   i think bellicheck is a little special too, and that's what makes him so great.   bill has gotten better with people, maybe josh can too.   rivera had the people skills down pat but was still a failure and doesn't want to grow.    i feel a lot better about josh after reading that.  the spectrum is wide. lots of people who aren't too far on the spectrum learn the value of empathy in a workplace setting later in life.   #metoo