McDaniels in Denver: What he learned

[rayzor]

Going to be too funny watching the reaction if all these McD haters if Tepper hires him.

Haven't seen this much hatred towards a guy since Cam.

Can you imagine what it would be like if we hired McD and Cam came back and stayed healthy? Oh the hate it would generate, even from within this fanbase. Would be way too fun to watch.

That's what I'm hoping for. McD and a healthy Cam. Put them in the mix with CMC and DJ and you're going to have one fun ride.

[Woodie]

12 minutes ago, countryboi said:

In my experience people dont change that much, once and asshole always an asshole. 

Wow, that's sad.  However, if you read the article, it wasn't so much that he was intentionally an asshole, but that he was oblivious to how his actions affected those around him.  An asshole is someone that doesn't care, McDaniels clearly does.  As he reflected, the realization hit him how his behavior affected others and that he needed to change his approach.  

The real issue is that he wasn't ready.  But he learned, matured, and developed as a coach.  

[top dawg]

The Huddle always needs a few people to hate. 

[countryboi]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Pretty sucky, sad, and small perspective on life and people you've got there.

whatever you think of my view on life is what it is but if we hire Mcdaniels in Carolina he will be who he has always been. The good and the bad 

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, Woodie said:

Wow, that's sad.  However, if you read the article, it wasn't so much that he was intentionally an asshole, but that he was oblivious to how his actions affected those around him.  An asshole is someone that doesn't care, McDaniels clearly does.  As he reflected, the realization hit him how his behavior affected others and that he needed to change his approach.  

The real issue is that he wasn't ready.  But he learned, matured, and developed as a coach.  

Those were exactly the things you want to see and hear from someone growing.

[Moo Daeng]

Win at all cost unless the coach is sort of a jerk I guess.

Rhule, Bieniemy, Stefanski are also potential huge reward hires. McDaniels is proven trash.

Actually McDaniels is the only really proven one of the bunch. The others may be great but they have nothing to show for it yet.

 

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, countryboi said:

whatever you think of my view on life is what it is but if we hire Mcdaniels in Carolina he will be who he has always been. The good and the bad 

No he won't. He'll be what he has learned to be after growing from his earlier experiences, just like most adults who actually go through a maturation process. Hopefully you get to go through one yourself one day...that is unless you come into it like @t96 and already has it all together.

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Those were exactly the things you want to see and hear from someone growing.

Absolutely. It is hard to take an honest look at yourself and see yourself wanting.  But he did and he grew from it.  And at no point have I heard him blame anyone but himself for is failure. 

I get that it's hard to shake first impressions, but I have a feeling that if he is the hire, many of his detractors will change their tunes...much like what happened when we took Cam and people got to know and understand him.  Of course, there will always be haters who will never change their mind, no matter what.  

[Carolina Cajun]

4 hours ago, t96 said:

Rhule, Bieniemy, Stefanski are also potential huge reward hires. McDaniels is proven trash.

FWIW, by this logic Belichick would have also been considered proven trash after his stint with Clevland in the 90's.  I personally want McDaniels, but would be ok with any of the options besides Rhule and Fewell.

[Rags]

5 hours ago, rayzor said:

Point blank, this guy is a risk because of his past experience as a HC was such a big failure. Part of learning how to be a good leader is making mistakes. Minus loads of experience, you're going to have to rely on what you learned from those mistakes.

He blew it, but I have no doubt he learned a lot.

Will he apply it and stick with it? I don't know, but I do know that because of the potential to make this team not just really good, but great I think he's worth the risk.

He's a swing for the fences type of hire. We need a home run hire. You can't hit a home run if you're trying to play it safe. 

100% agree with this.

If it doesn't work it doesn't work. That's sports.

But this could absolutely get us over the hill. 

[Monty83]

Excellent excerpts from that article, and love the reflection from McDaniels. I think he would be a great hire and definitely less concerned about his leadership skills after reading that for a few reasons:

1) It was his first go-round in that leadership role. As someone who has managed people for two decades, most make two critical mistakes when they first get in the leadership role - 1) they think it’s all about them and undervalue relationships and 2) mimic what they assumed were the keys to their previous manager or simply mimic bad habits from a bad manager.
 

2) He’s 43 and only been a HC once. And even his offense schemes lend themselves to complete adjustments when necessary. No reason to believe he doesn’t see the value in and can’t adjust from  a leadership and personnel standpoint. This reflection is actually evidence and the perfect start to it.

 

[Tbe]

5 hours ago, countryboi said:

In my experience people dont change that much, once and asshole always an asshole. 

I tend to agree. People usually don’t change much past their 20s.
 

I have no doubt he understands what he should do. Will he revert to his old self once he’s a few years in? Who knows. It’s a real risk. 

[TheRumGone]

It’s pretty gross that at any age a man wouldn’t know to treat his workers respectfully and care about them on an individual level. That has nothing to do with expecting them to bring their best. That points to him being some sort of sociopath tbh. I’m not sure if someone can actual change their nature like that. I mean maybe. But that has nothing to do with age. 

[4Corners]

Hard pass on mcdaniels. He is scum and will want out the minute Belicheat retires.