Rhule vs Beiniemy

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, 45catfan said:

I'm a track record guy.  I'm not seeing a track record and a being swell guy, well liked and by all accounts, a good supporting coach doesn't give me confidence he would be a successful HC.    We have hashed out the 1st time HCs versus retreads thing to death, but not certain a rookie can come in a gain immediate traction.  Has it happened?  Obviously it has, but again I'm all about has he proven this in the past ?  If yes, then that's who I want.

The biggest con with Bieniemy probably is that he hasn't been doing it at this level for all that long. He hasn't got as much NFL coaching experience as some others, despite actually being older than them (he's 50).

If you hire him, it's because you believe he's smart enough and wise enough to handle the job, even if he's not as experienced at this level as you might like.

If you don't, it's probably because you don't think he's proven himself enough yet. And it's fair to say more than one hot candidate has flamed out before (Darrell Bevell is a good example).

[top dawg]

I'm generally not enthralled with the next great thing from college coaches, but If I were choosing, it wouldn't be Rhule. I'd be wooing David Shaw.

[Gesualdo]

53 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Can a Beiniemy fan please tell me why you want him here?

* pretty clearly a good guy with great leadership traits. (it's a bit late for the panthers to make a heel turn...face it, we're a babyface club)

* he's said to be really smart, and meets the eye test on that front

* comes from a great system which has regularly prepared coaches for NFL success. it shouldn't go unnoticed that the patriarch of said system is virtually shouting from the rooftops about how good he is...

* not worried about the playcalling aspect, because he's apparently instrumental in gameplanning and offensive design, which satisfies me that he's got enough Xs and Os savvy to hold his own - and evaluate results - in whatever setup he creates. and it's not like he's being held back from playcalling due to some deficiency - it's just the nature of the system he's in. he most likely won't be calling plays here either.

 

yes, he's a gamble...like every other candidate. but if he ends up sucking, he's pretty easy to move on from, because he's a first-timer and a good culture guy. for someone with so much potential upside, he might actually be the LEAST risky candidate...as opposed to:

* mcdaniels, who has strong potential to poison the well completely with his proven lack of leadership and people skills ("ooh but he's changed! i know he has, despite a total lack of evidence, because TIME HAS PASSED!!!")

* mccarthy, a made man in the NFL lifer mafia with a proven knack for riding coattails, entrenching his position, and wasting a DECADE of a team's time with mediocrity (remind you of anyone?)

* rhule...well, rhule is an unknown, and i have an open mind on rhule. but what he's pitching is focused on culture turnaround, which makes him more likely to be a three-year failure than a two-year failure. also, i don't think he wants to be here.

 

in short, compared to his competitors, Bieniemy is a candidate who seems to have a lot of potential upside and relatively low risk

[Gesualdo]

48 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I don't doubt that Andy really likes the guy, but are you at all surprised he's talking up one of his understudies that is being mentioned for a HC opening?  Only egotistical control freaks hold back people.  This applies to the corporate world as well because I've both scenarios play out many times.

of course, reid would say nice things in almost any circumstance - but look for the difference between polite, de rigeur support and true-believer evangelism

this feels like the latter, like when dabo used to pound the lectern re: Deshaun Watson

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Gesualdo said:

of course, reid would say nice things in almost any circumstance - but look for the difference between polite, de rigeur support and true-believer evangelism

this feels like the latter, like when dabo used to pound the lectern re: Deshaun Watson

Yup, Dabo pounds the lectern for all his star players that end up with mixed pro results.  Kind of cherry picking there, but I get what you are saying.

[Gesualdo]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yup, Dabo pounds the lectern for all his star players that end up with mixed pro results.  Kind of cherry picking there, but I get what you are saying.

yeah, that was admittedly a crap example. i trust reid more, haha

[GoobyPls]

10 hours ago, AU-panther said:

So don't like at points per game?  maybe run/pass split would be a better indicator?

What does point per game have to do with it? Wisconsin scores a lot of points running a old school offense, same with Stanford or Bama pre Tua 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

What does point per game have to do with it? Wisconsin scores a lot of points running a old school offense, same with Stanford or Bama pre Tua 

I'm just curious to what metric you are using?  TDs can be misleading also, they might move the ball through the air but punch it in on the ground.

You just made the comment he is a pound the ball type of coach.  Have you even watched that many games of his?  Here again just curious what you are basing that opinion on.

[GoobyPls]

There are multiple articles on Rhule’s offense, all them point to the same thing. Old school, smash mouth, run first

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/137144/matt-rhule-constructing-a-new-brand-of-offense-at-baylor

 

https://footballscoop.com/news/matt-rhule-came-grips-rpo-game-smash-mouth-coach/
 

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2016/12/6/13856362/the-new-rhule-of-law-in-waco-matt-rhule-baylor-bears
 

 

BTW  Baylor led the nation in scoring 3 years in a row, so them being ranked 30th or whatever isn’t that good. 

[Shocker]

On 1/3/2020 at 2:09 PM, Mr. Scot said:

One kinda big factor in this debate is that Eric Bieniemy actually seems to be interested in coaching the Panthers.

Matt Rhule? Not so much.

Based on what?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Based on what?

A couple of different reporters have suggested that it's the Giants or back to Baylor for him.

[Snake]

On 1/3/2020 at 2:09 PM, Mr. Scot said:

One kinda big factor in this debate is that Eric Bieniemy actually seems to be interested in coaching the Panthers.

Matt Rhule? Not so much.

This and we should leave it at that. 

[SBiii]

On 1/4/2020 at 3:04 AM, Biggs934 said:

McCarthy - had Farve and Rodgers But still couldn’t make it work but 1 year

Belichick is the only current NFL head coach with more than 1 Super Bowl win.

It's tough no matter who your QB is. 

2 current NFL QB's have more than 1 Super Bowl win, one did it with 2 different coaches.

[ImaginaryKev]

Life's a risk dawg, I'd take either one