The case for LT with pick 7

[Moo Daeng]

The new coach could in essence make the decisions regarding this draft while waiting for a new "insert position name" exec to free up.  Hurney might have input and provide the management  of the scouting process. At least I believe that is a rational approach if there is a guy Tepper really wants and feels its better to wait for than be GM less during the scouting process.

[Matt62881]

If our tackles dont improve in year 2 I feel the best way to land a good one is to draft a bunch with moderately high picks who all have high upside and the people size and skillset till one sticks. I just dont want to waste the 7th pick, remember that year that was supposed to be so great for LTs and almost all of them busted, I believe only lane Johnson came out and was worth anything out of like 7.

[Matt62881]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a thought...

If we hire McDaniels, what if he were able to bring Patriots OL Coach Dante Scarnecchia with him?

Yeah, he's 72, but if he could train somebody else to coach the line the way he does, that could be... interesting.

I dont and hope the concussions will be a constant problem, they both seemed minor and after the second one they really held him out. After that he didn't have any more problems, here's to hoping Daley and little improve while it was a down year for Moton.

[MHS831]

 There are 2 studs (LT) in this draft and both might be gone by #7.  Free agent LTs on this level do not exist.  Do you pass on a LT because you have a bigger need?  It may seem logical now, but in three years are we going to bang our heads against a wall?   To me, the LT is the second most important position in football.  Should we develop Little or was that a bad pick?

Little was nearly a first rounder, if anyone late in round 1 last year would accept Marty's deal.  Would that change anything?  If Marty had moved up to 23, would we be ditching Little as quickly?

If we cannot sign Bradberry, do you take a Wirfs (for example) and leave a stud CB like Okudah sitting there? 

Free agency will make this easier--but for now, it is mind numbing to think the draft can solve half of the problems we have.

 

 

[Peon Awesome]

If we have our pick of any lineman and LT becomes BPA (e.g. Andrew Thomas), then sure. But some people here seem to be advocating for LT or bust, going so far as reaching for the third best tackle off the board. Most years, one, or at most 2 tackles actually hit; the rest perform worse/no better than Daley or Little and that's even assuming those two get no better after another season. We have way too many holes for us to have the luxury of reaching when we can get a definite high impact player at 7. If we end up passing on Brown, Okudah or even Jeudy to take the third rated tackle I worry we're going to look back and regret it mightily. 

[weyco2000]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Well you have to give someone a chance if you bail on Little.  What about CB?  Jackson was second rounder who hasn't shown much.  What about WR?  Samuels is a second rounder who hasn't shown much.  I just know a second rounder needs time to develop. If we draft another T I would be OK, but we leave some other spots open.  Do we feel better about the #2 WR than Little at LT?  Do we feel better about Jackson at CB?  I think C was more of a problem than people seem to be realizing--when  the interior breaks down, everything tends to break down. 

I see your point--I wish we knew more about Little before giving up on him.

Honestly a second rounder should be replacing a starter.

The problem is we have no depth because we're constantly burning middle round picks to move up to fill needs after going BPA. 

[Verge]

Either Derick Brown or Andrew Thomas will likely be there, makes sense to take either one. If both gone, Austin Jackson makes a ton of sense.

[stratocatter]

It is really difficult to trust a college LT these days, to translate. It is hard enough if the top guy falls to you, reaching is a huge risk.

I went sour on Gettleman fairly early in his time, but never once criticized him for not going LOT in the 1st. It is something you should not try to force.

If we have the right guy sitting there, by all means, thank our luck and pull the trigger. Otherwise let Hurney do what he does best.

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

And this doesn’t include hurries on the most important position on the field 

 

So you're saying we were only TIED for the worst in sacks allowed? I thought we had that stat running away...

[CPF4LIFE]

7 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

They just drafted Lawerence last year and traded for Williams, expect Andrew Thomas or Simmons

I hope they take simmons. From want im seeing fans wouldnt mind the pick.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

If we have our pick of any lineman and LT becomes BPA (e.g. Andrew Thomas), then sure. But some people here seem to be advocating for LT or bust, going so far as reaching for the third best tackle off the board. Most years, one, or at most 2 tackles actually hit; the rest perform worse/no better than Daley or Little and that's even assuming those two get no better after another season. We have way too many holes for us to have the luxury of reaching when we can get a definite high impact player at 7. If we end up passing on Brown, Okudah or even Jeudy to take the third rated tackle I worry we're going to look back and regret it mightily. 

If Thomas and brown are gone then i agree to take BPA at another position. Dont reach for a tackle. 

[CmC2k]

Get a new center and someone to compete at left guard then throw all the draft capital and cap space to try and find a another solid corner and some big boys on the defensive line so Luke isn't getting singled out on defense. Then do whatever satanic rituals it takes to keep Cams shoulder healthy and boom super owl.                                                                                                                                                   

[Matt62881]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

Daley did play better. Little is tough because he only played 3.5 games. So that 14 pressures and 2 sacks was a big chunk of the time. He definitely played better than that in the other games but that’s so bad. That Atlanta game was almost a dupe of Williams against Barrett.

Paradis was pure bad, but we had so much wrong.

We definitely did that, I feel some of it came down to cohesiveness, never having the same unit out there for very long as well. I'm really hoping another year will help the tackles and we can draft a franchise center...its just the one unit to me that only experience can help and your mostly getting it through the draft, so until you get a unit healthy and stick with it, it will never be what you want. They all help each other and the strength of the line lies with its weakest link, wich imo was Paradis. One good thing is I dont think they can be worse this year so if we run Daley-draft-draft-Turner-moton, I think we will at least have a 10 to 15th acceptable line and with experience that should improve further.

[cmichd]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If anyone who has been watching the Panthers since Gross retired still needs a case made out to them for drafting a LT at #7 then I don't know what else to tell them.

I'm not saying to definitely draft one there, it depends on what the board looks like when we're on the clock, but the possibility should abso-fuging-lutely be on the table.

In the Panterswired last night's mock we got from Auburn I know how much you like him Mr. Brown.  Would you give him up to grab one of the other LT's out there cause in that same  mock draft they had us taking Becton out of Louisville in the 2nd since they figure Williams was gone.  Then they pick the Safety out of FSU Hamsah Nasirildeen.  This one I am not a fan of.