The case for LT with pick 7

[ncfan]

We need OL plain and simple.  Just talent.

If Little turns out....fine, the guy they drafted can play RT.

 

Moton is over at RT, he will be going into the last year of his deal.  So if we dont go OL this year we may go next.

 

Moton was the best OL we had this season, but still struggled at times (people forget the Atlanta game where he pretty much was taken off the foeld the Williams gave up a sack the very next play).  Many scouts projected him as a versatile guy who's best fit would be OG in the NFL.

 

We have a big hole at LG going into next year.  Honestly Moton would be a upgrade to Van Roten there.  Worst case he stays at RT and the kid we draft (Wirfs, Wills, Thomas) plays LT.

Best case, Little pans out.  The kid we draft plays RT, and Moton slides into LG.  The Saints have had one of the leagues best OL the last few years and this is exactly what they did.  Drafted a OT in rd 1 who has been at RT but was drafted incase he needed to play LT since their LT had been injured.  Then Peat, the RT slid into LG.

 

 

That being said, think we will see is address DL or OL in some way in FA and the other will be in the 1st.  So if we sign a DJ Humphries in FA, we'll go DT in the draft if Browns available.

[Basbear]

Just now, TheRumGone said:

Do not bank on Little. Draft the OT if he’s there no matter what. Even if Little ends up just a good backup for spot starting for injuries that’s still an ok pick for me. We need a major talent, youth infusion to the oline. 

Honestly the best hope for the OL is a great OL coach, young OL will not save this team. Moton and Turner looked awful along with all the others, I do not believe thats the case. Truly GVR was the best OLman on this team this year, G.V.R

[45catfan]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The guy started 36 games for an SEC team where his OL coach has 20+ years of OL coaching experience including 6 in the NFL. If he's still raw he might just not be a good OT.

Yup and the reason his stock dropped mightily when he had to perform in individual drills during Senior Bowl week and the Combine.  Individual drills are where you are supposed to shine and Little's stock tanked.  To me that says he was just a cog in a solid OL unit in college.

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Jaxel said:

It wasn't just the LT that contributed to that. We need a center who can command that line ina similar way Khalil did. Honestly it would be a waste to draft another LT when we do have a talented guy on the roster. Yes, he didnt play much, but Greg Little has talent. Give him a shot before drafting another LT.

Like butter...you can never have too many OTs...

[raleigh-panther]

I’m not up for giving a LT with two concussions the keys to my QB getting hit

if they can get better they need to, they can keep Little  as backup or  let him compete with the new LT and they can always trade him for picks or players 

get better. Don’t stand pat particularly at the second most important position on the team that protects the most important position in the team

[stirs]

Giants might be hard to figure.  In Gmans years with them, they rarely took an Olineman in the first round, maybe once.  He likes/loves the DE's and playmakers.  The only caveat to that would be the hell he has been given for NOT having a great OT in NY or Carolina.  He might bend this time and go OT depending on new coach.  I hope he stays true and takes a playmaker

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, stirs said:

Giants might be hard to figure.  In Gmans years with them, they rarely took an Olineman in the first round, maybe once.  He likes/loves the DE's and playmakers.  The only caveat to that would be the hell he has been given for NOT having a great OT in NY or Carolina.  He might bend this time and go OT depending on new coach.  I hope he stays true and takes a playmaker

Giants probably would have been locked on to Chase Young if they hadn't won that game late in the season.

Heard one of the draft guys on the radio today suggesting a tackle or defensive lineman in the first and Jacob Eason in the second.

[Jared Patterson]

7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Biggest problem is that the guy who loved and saw a lot in Little is still the guy in charge of the draft. There’s a possibility that he’s not ready to move on. 

that's what I've been saying. Doubt he takes a left tackle high

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Biggest problem is that the guy who loved and saw a lot in Little is still the guy in charge of the draft. There’s a possibility that he’s not ready to move on. 

I won't draw an easy breath regarding the future of this franchise as long as Hurney sits in that GM office. He's a disaster. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I won't draw an easy breath regarding the future of this franchise as long as Hurney sits in that GM office. He's a disaster. 

Roaring Riot's theory that he'll be a fall guy for a Newton trade might sound a little sketchy, but it's plausible.

I've also pondered whether he might be kept around in "official" capacity but in reality have limited duties, then be allowed to "retire" after the next draft so it looks like it's his decision.

It's just hard to imagine him retaining full power beyond April, if even that long. Especially so if McDaniels becomes the head coach.

[Matt62881]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

And this doesn’t include hurries on the most important position on the field 

 

If there was even a 75% chance of landing a franchise LT that could start the first year a play above average I'd say yes but the bust rate for Lts is insane even for highley rated ones. Our two biggest problems are stopping the run and protecting the passer. Brown, who I believe at worst is Marcell Dareus without the off field issues and on the high side a Hloti Ngata. The hit rate on Dts is just so much higher and if we can fix the run....you just cant miss in the first.

[Matt62881]

Anyone on here with PFF mind finding the stats for our olineman giving up pressures and sacks, I truly felt it came more from the center. We have two tackle prospects that showed promise from last season almost no tackle shows consistency in their first season, inside lineman to me seem to bust at a lower rate and we can land a franchise center in the 2nd. I think we can fix both trenches in this draft if done properly.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

I’m not up for giving a LT with two concussions the keys to my QB getting hit

if they can get better they need to, they can keep Little  as backup or  let him compete with the new LT and they can always trade him for picks or players 

get better. Don’t stand pat particularly at the second most important position on the team that protects the most important position in the team

Here's a thought...

If we hire McDaniels, what if he were able to bring Patriots OL Coach Dante Scarnecchia with him?

Yeah, he's 72, but if he could train somebody else to coach the line the way he does, that could be... interesting.

[Matt62881]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It came from everywhere. Paradis gave up something like 47, but Little had 14 in one game against Atlanta and we saw Williams get bent over by Barrett week 2. Turner was sub par and Van Roten was good at pulling but he’s a JAG. Moton even had bad games.

The entire OL sucked, it wasn’t just one spot.

Yea that William's vs barrette game was brutal but I never wanted William's at LT to begin with, I'm more worried about our young guys. To be honest they both seemed to improve as the year went on, 14 in one game is to much but that was probably his worst. I would love to see game by game breakdowns. Daley honestly seemed to outperform little in some ways, if they dont continue getting better in year 2 then ill worry about tackle, its just to early to give up on little, daley and moton. The problem with Paradis is that 47 is alot over 16 games, the opposite of consistency. Center is definitely top 2 most important position on the line and can make the rest of the line mess up. Little had 14 in one game but did he have another game close to that? Just curious, I'd rather have a rook give up 14 in one game and finish with 25 on the year then a vet average almost 4 a game, I watched him completely miss blitz pickups and he also has to make line changes.