CMC MVP status

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

 

Yeah, if we try to franchise him, he'll argue he's a wide receiver

His agent will also ask to be paid like a top wide receiver, not a RB

Hopefully we're wise and trade him by the time of his second contract to some sucker GM who believes RBs are non fungible

 

Literally idiotic. Yes let’s trade away our star RB on a rookie contract money for a 2 or 3rd round pick. To some team that will tag him for a few years. Yay! 

You Hurney nuts are fuging insufferable. 

 

[bobowilson]

I mean it's a silly argument

Lamar Jackson is a better running back than CMC, and also happens to be one of the best passers in the NFL

He adds triple as much wins and value as CMC (just as Cam did in 2015)

[bobowilson]

Just now, Harbingers said:

Literally idiotic. Yes let’s trade away our star RB on a rookie contract money for a 2 or 3rd round pick. To some team that will tag him for a few years. Yay! 

You Hurney nuts are fuging insufferable. 

 

What's idiotic is giving a running back a second contract

Find one example over the past 5 years where a team didn't regret giving a big deal to a running back

What do Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, and Josh Jacobs have in common

0 playoff appearances this year

Don't draft RBs in the top 10, don't give them second contracts

No matter how good they are, they're still running backs and fungible

 

[Harbingers]

17 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

What's idiotic is giving a running back a second contract

Find one example over the past 5 years where a team didn't regret giving a big deal to a running back

What do Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, and Josh Jacobs have in common

0 playoff appearances this year

Don't draft RBs in the top 10, don't give them second contracts

No matter how good they are, they're still running backs and fungible

 

Dumb. Dumb. And Dumber. I don’t even know where to begin with your ineptitude. 

[Harbingers]

31 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

What's idiotic is giving a running back a second contract

Find one example over the past 5 years where a team didn't regret giving a big deal to a running back

What do Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, and Josh Jacobs have in common

0 playoff appearances this year

Don't draft RBs in the top 10, don't give them second contracts

No matter how good they are, they're still running backs and fungible

 

Oh wait that’s right. There’s 52 other players around that 1 player. I wonder who fugged that pooch this year? I’ll give you a hint his name is Marty Hurney. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Man I can't wait until Cam is no longer here. He is just too polarizing.

[bobowilson]

38 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Oh wait that’s right. There’s 52 other players around that 1 player. I wonder who fugged that pooch this year? I’ll give you a hint his name is Marty Hurney. 

If you look at the list of highest paid RBs, they're connected to a whose who of the worst general managers in the NFL (same for GMs who have drafted a RB high)

When is the last time a top shelf general manager used a heavy allocation of draft capital (top half of the 1st round), or free agent money on a running back?

I'll wait......

 

 

[Carl Spackler]

This offseason of CMC hate and extreme usage of the term “draft capital” will be something

[bobowilson]

2 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

This offseason of CMC hate and extreme usage of the term “draft capital” will be something

Austin Ekeler had 993 receiving yards this year

Do most huddlers even know who Austin Ekeler is?   He's some undrafted jag running back the Chargers picked up.

Ironically, he was the guy who filled in because their general manager wisely refused to budge to Melvin Gordon's (15th pick in the draft, terrible decision) contract demands.

Is Austin Ekeler some pass catching unicorn who deserves 20 million a year, or did the Chargers scheme dictate an unprecedented amount of check down passes (similar to the Panthers)?  It's no coincidence CMC put up these numbers in a Norv Turner offense (see, LaDainian Tomlinson)

Austin Ekeler had an identical Pro Football Focus rating as CMC as an overall player this year.

 

 

 

[Pantherzack179812]

5 hours ago, Adb6368 said:

Hypothetical here... if we made the playoffs, where would CMC have finished in MVP voting? It’s sad that such a historic season went to waste. The THIRD player in the history of the NFL to accomplish what he did. 

i think if we made the playoffs he would have deserved MVP. Unfortunately due to the position bias realistically I think he finishes second behind lamar regardless. 

CMC is missing the MVP for going 0 for 5 on the goal line in game tying or winning situations. 1-4 2-3 I can ignore that stat, but how the he$$ do people scream MVP when the man had 5 chances to change the game and didn't do squat? Tampa the guard opened a wide open hole and he could of cut and scored, adding on running out of bounds instead od dragging the defender. Change those 5 to wins and the Panthers are 10-6 (could be better if we were 10-5 with a chance to beat a 11-4 Saints team). Not saying CMC sucks, but that is why he is not the MVP, doesn't make him a bad player, but Cam made the plays needed for us to win in 2015, CMC didn't in 2019. Cam didn't overthrow Greg Olsen in Seattle. 

[Palmetto]

Lamar Jackson had this on lock since mid way thru the season

[Palmetto]

5 hours ago, bobowilson said:

What's idiotic is giving a running back a second contract

Find one example over the past 5 years where a team didn't regret giving a big deal to a running back

What do Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, and Josh Jacobs have in common

0 playoff appearances this year

Don't draft RBs in the top 10, don't give them second contracts

No matter how good they are, they're still running backs and fungible

 

Josh Jacobs was the 24th pick

Chubb was a second rounder

Gurley has been to a Super Bowl and Playoffs twice

Elliott also has been to the playoffs twice

CMC also  a big reason the Panthers made the playoffs

Jags made it to the AFC championship game because of Fournette and the defense

[Pantherzack179812]

17 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

Josh Jacobs was the 24th pick

Chubb was a second rounder

Gurley has been to a Super Bowl and Playoffs twice

Elliott also has been to the playoffs twice

CMC also  a big reason the Panthers made the playoffs

Jags made it to the AFC championship game because of Fournette and the defense

CMC was not a big reason why the 2017 team went to the playoffs. J Stew had around 60-70% of the carries. He had some big plays, but I wouldn't say that team finishes any worse then 10-6 with CMC. \

KB being what he was, the week before we traded him he still had a TD catch and was having a solid season. Had no problem with trading him, but it's a lie to say he was playing bad enough to warrant a trade. Would've been nice to have a tall receiver in that wild card game that was not Devin Funchess.

[bobowilson]

23 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

 

Gurley has been to a Super Bowl and Playoffs twice

Jags made it to the AFC championship game because of Fournette and the defense

Wait what?  Gurley was so limited by injury (which is one of the reasons you dont invest heavy capital in RBs), the Rams were literally only using CJ Anderson (who we cut and they signed off the trash heap) on their Super Bowl run.

Fournette was terrible in the playoffs for the Jags, and they won in spite of him.  In their wildcard victory against the Bills, he rushed 21 times for 57 yards.  In their loss to the Patriots, 76 yards on 24 carries.  On the season, he averaged 3.9 yards per attempt, and had a 58.5 rating from PFF.  Fournette had his best year in 2019, but is still basically a replacement level running back.